Matter outside of the territory under consideration. Where are we?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of "matter outside of the territory under consideration" in relation to the speed of light and electromagnetic waves, particularly in the context of spacetime and gravitational effects. Participants explore the implications of varying "density" in the vacuum of space and how it relates to established theories in physics.

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  • One participant draws an analogy between air and water waves and questions whether variations in the "density" of the vacuum of space could affect the speed of light and electromagnetic waves.
  • Another participant references Einstein's 1920 statement regarding the influence of external matter on the metrical qualities of spacetime, suggesting a connection to gravitational effects.
  • A different participant argues that the equivalence principle indicates that variations in the speed of light due to vacuum density cannot occur, suggesting that Einstein's focus was on spacetime curvature rather than light speed.
  • One participant expresses a desire to clarify their question, indicating potential confusion or miscommunication in the initial inquiry.

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Participants express differing views on the implications of external matter on the speed of light and spacetime. There is no consensus on the interpretation of Einstein's ideas or the validity of the proposed analogies.

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Some assumptions regarding the nature of vacuum density and its effects on light speed remain unexamined. The discussion also reflects varying interpretations of established principles such as the equivalence principle and spacetime curvature.

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This discussion may be of interest to those exploring advanced concepts in general relativity, the nature of spacetime, and the implications of gravitational effects on electromagnetic phenomena.

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After an analogy with air and water waves, which are limited in speed by the density of the medium in which they travel, I was wondering if there were variations in the "density" of the vacuum of space which might cause light, or any electromagnetic waves for this matter, to vary in speed.

In reply to this comment harrylin cleverley quoted Einstein from 1920:
harrylin said:
Einstein phrased it in 1920 as follows: "the metrical qualities of the continuum of space-time [..] are partly conditioned by the matter existing outside of the territory under consideration."

Therefore, Where are we today with the understanding of this matter outside of the territory under consideration?
 
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Serge58 said:
Therefore, Where are we today with the understanding of this matter outside of the territory under consideration?

There's no great mystery here. Suppose that the "territory under consideration" is the space near a massive body; the massive body produces gravitational effects within that area. A near-trivial example would be the Schwarzschild solution - it's a vacuum solution so applies in the empty space around the matter that's responsible for the gravitational field.
 
Serge58 said:
After an analogy with air and water waves, which are limited in speed by the density of the medium in which they travel, I was wondering if there were variations in the "density" of the vacuum of space which might cause light, or any electromagnetic waves for this matter, to vary in speed.

The equivalence principle basically says that this can never be the case.

What Einstein probably had in mind was spacetime curvature, not the speed of light. (But it would be helpful to have some more context.)
 
I think i didn't write my question properly. I'll try again on a new tread.
 

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