Max and min speed around banked curve

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The problem involves a car navigating a banked curve with a specified radius, angle, and friction coefficient. The objective is to determine the maximum and minimum speeds at which the car can travel without skidding off the road.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the setup of force equations and the implications of friction in different scenarios, such as slipping up or down the curve. Questions arise regarding the relationships between forces and how to incorporate various components into the equations.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants examining different cases of motion and the forces involved. Some guidance has been offered regarding the treatment of forces in relation to the direction of potential slipping, but no consensus has been reached on the next steps.

Contextual Notes

Participants are working within the constraints of the problem statement and are considering the implications of the friction coefficient and the banking angle on the car's motion.

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Homework Statement



A car enters a turn whose radius is R. The road is banked at angle Theta, and the friction coefficient is mu. Find the max and min speeds for the car to stay on the road without skidding sideways.

Homework Equations



W = mg
N = -W
Friction force = f = muN
Centripetal acceleration = ac = v^2/R

The Attempt at a Solution


Here's the force diagram I drew:
http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/9576/0925081412wy0.th.jpg http://g.imageshack.us/thpix.php

I have the following equations set up:
N = mgcosTheta f = mumgcosTheta W = mg
-W + N + f = 0
NcosTheta - fcosTheta = Fc = ac

So far, I think I've set up the problem correctly, but now I don't know where to go from here.
 
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diablo2121 said:

Homework Statement



A car enters a turn whose radius is R. The road is banked at angle Theta, and the friction coefficient is mu. Find the max and min speeds for the car to stay on the road without skidding sideways.

Homework Equations



W = mg
N = -W
Friction force = f = muN
Centripetal acceleration = ac = v^2/R

The Attempt at a Solution


Here's the force diagram I drew:

I have the following equations set up:
N = mgcosTheta f = mumgcosTheta W = mg
-W + N + f = 0
NcosTheta - fcosTheta = Fc = ac

So far, I think I've set up the problem correctly, but now I don't know where to go from here.

Examine the cases separately. For instance at the velocity that it would slip up the curve, what must the V be greater than?

Likewise for the case where it would slip down the inclined curve what does the force drawing tell you about how to treat the terms?
 
If the car were to slip up the curve, then the friction force f, pointing inward, is overcome. Likewise, the car slipping inwards would imply that W is overcoming f, which should be pointing outwards. How do I relate these concepts into my equations?
 
diablo2121 said:
If the car were to slip up the curve, then the friction force f, pointing inward, is overcome. Likewise, the car slipping inwards would imply that W is overcoming f, which should be pointing outwards. How do I relate these concepts into my equations?

Just write it down. What is the normal force? What force opposes it for it to slip in one direction or the other. What do you do with the weight component that is the sinθ term? What must the velocity be greater or less than for each case?
 

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