Max distance up incline plane with variable friction

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves a block moving up an incline with an initial velocity, where the frictional force is a variable dependent on displacement. The goal is to determine the maximum distance the block travels up the incline before coming to rest.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss using energy conservation principles to relate initial kinetic energy, work done by friction, and gravitational potential energy. There is a focus on clarifying the distinction between the force of friction and the work done by friction in the energy equation.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively exploring the correct formulation of the energy equation, particularly regarding the treatment of friction as a variable force. Some guidance has been provided on the need to integrate the friction force rather than simply multiplying it by displacement.

Contextual Notes

There is an emphasis on understanding the implications of variable friction in the context of energy conservation, and participants are questioning their assumptions about the setup of the problem.

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Homework Statement


A block with initial velocity of 10 m/s is sent up an incline at 30 degrees from the horizontal. The coefficient of friction is 0.2x where x is the displacement. Find the maximum distance the block moves up the incline.


Homework Equations


F = ma
(1/2)mv^2
mgh

The Attempt at a Solution


I decided to try and use energy for this one.

Initial energy is (1/2)m(10)^2 + friction and final is mgh because the block comes to rest eventually.

So: (1/2)m(10)^2 + friction = mgh

Friction = coefficient * Normal force, so Friction = 0.2x * mgcos(30). Therefore:

(1/2)m(10)^2 + (0.2x*mgcos(30)) = mgh

Masses cancel out:

50 + (0.2x*gcos(30)) = gh

We want to find x because x is along the incline, and sin(30) = h / x, so h = xsin(30) and substitute back in:

50 + (0.2x*gcos(30)) = g(xsin30)

Simplify:

50 + 1.697x = 4.9x
50 = 3.203x
x = 15.6 meters

The solution is 5.31 meters, though. What have I done incorrectly?
 
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PhizKid said:
So: (1/2)m(10)^2 + friction = mgh

By "friction" do you mean the force of friction or the work done by the friction force? Note that you are setting up an energy expression.
 
Oh...the work done by friction would be 0.2x * mgcos(30) * x * cos(180) I think. So is that what I'm supposed to use for the "friction" part in my equation?
 
PhizKid said:
Oh...the work done by friction would be 0.2x * mgcos(30) * x * cos(180) I think. So is that what I'm supposed to use for the "friction" part in my equation?

Right, you need the work done by friction. But the force of friction is a variable force (it depends on x). So, how do you get the work done by a variable force?
 
Ohh I just learned this a few minutes ago, lol. Integrate the Friction Force, not multiply Friction Force * displacement.
 
Yes. Good.
 

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