Maximizing Pairs (k,l) in R^+: k+l+2\sqrt{kl}=4+\sqrt{7}

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The discussion revolves around finding all pairs (k, l) in the positive real numbers (R^+) that satisfy the equation derived from the condition \(\sqrt{k} + \sqrt{l} = \sqrt{4 + \sqrt{7}}\). The focus includes algebraic manipulation and potential methods for solving the equation.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests eliminating the square roots to simplify the equation, leading to a longer expression that they find cumbersome.
  • Another participant proposes an alternative approach by fixing k and expressing l in terms of k, arguing that this method yields a unique solution for l due to the injective nature of the square root function.
  • A question is raised regarding the terminology used, specifically the word "appoint," with a clarification sought on whether it means to list or describe the pairs.
  • A later reply clarifies that "appoint" is interpreted as describing all such pairs.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing interpretations of the task, with some focusing on algebraic manipulation and others on the method of expressing one variable in terms of another. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approach to take.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved mathematical steps and assumptions about the nature of the solutions, particularly concerning the injectivity of the square root function and the implications of the algebraic transformations.

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Appoint all the pairs (k, l) (both k and l in R^+) such that:
[tex]\sqrt{k}+\sqrt{l}=\sqrt{4+\sqrt{7}}[/tex]

I'm really stuck at it. First of all, I think that getting rid of the roots may be a good idea so we have:
[tex]k+l+2\sqrt{kl}=4+\sqrt{7}[/tex]
[tex]2\sqrt{k \ell}-\sqrt{7}=4-k-\ell[/tex]
[tex]7+4 k \ell-4 \sqrt{7} \sqrt{k \ell}=16-8 k+k^2-8 \ell+2 k \ell+\ell^2[/tex]

...but when we get to the equation with no roots left at all (I mean, when [tex]-4\sqrt{7kl}[/tex] turns into 112kl), it's REALLY long (and by "REALLY" I mean around 90 characters long). Does it sound right or not really?
 
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Why can't you just let k be arbitrary, and let l = [√(4+√7) - √k]2, so that √k + √l = √(4+√7) when √(4+√7) - √k > 0?

The point is that for any fixed k, there is at most one solution for l, since square root is injective.
 
What do you mean by "appoint?" Do you mean, list them?
 
I took it to mean: describe all such pairs.
 

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