Maximizing Power: Why Pushing the Gas Pedal Matters

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between pressing the gas pedal in a vehicle and the resulting power output, particularly in the context of pulling loads. Participants explore the mechanics of engine operation, fuel injection, and combustion processes, touching on both physics and engineering aspects.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that pressing the gas pedal injects more fuel into the engine, leading to increased combustion force and torque, making the car 'stronger'.
  • Others argue that while more gas can lead to more energy and force, there is an optimal air-fuel mixture beyond which efficiency decreases.
  • It is noted that modern engines are computer-controlled to maintain the correct air-fuel ratio, which affects the force on the piston.
  • Participants discuss the phenomenon of older vehicles emitting black smoke when accelerating, attributing it to oil burning or incomplete combustion.
  • There is a contention regarding the color of smoke produced by different combustion processes, with some asserting that black smoke indicates rich fuel conditions, while others reference personal experiences with oil smoke appearing black.
  • Some participants clarify that throttle control does not necessarily increase fuel but rather adjusts air intake, maintaining a constant air-fuel ratio in certain systems.

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Participants express differing views on the mechanics of fuel combustion and the implications of throttle control, indicating that multiple competing perspectives remain without a clear consensus.

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Discussions include assumptions about engine types (carbureted vs. fuel-injected), the effects of throttle on air-fuel ratios, and the interpretation of smoke colors, which may depend on specific conditions and definitions.

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Why the more you push the gas pedal , the stronger the car is (say, when pulling something)?
 
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I don't think this really belongs in classical physics.. more like engineering.
To fully understand this you'll have to know how an engine works, which would be a very long lesson.

But in short, when you step on the gas pedal, you inject gas into a cylinder with a piston fitted inside it. The spark plug ignites the mixture of gas and air and makes it go BOOM, pushing the piston down with a lot of force. The piston is connected to the crankshaft, which converts the linear (Straight line) motion of the piston into rotational motion to spin the wheels.

The more you step on the pedal, the more gas you inject into the cylinder. The more fuel there is, the larger the combustion and force of pushing the piston. That means the crankshaft will translate the higher force into greater torque, so the car is 'stronger'.

There is a lot more physics involved, but i hope that helps.
 
russ_watters said:
More gas pedal = more gas!

It's easy to say : more gas => more energy => more force.
There's a point the gas mix is optimum, above that, gas burns less effectively, but the force does get stronger when you continue to push down the pedal?
 
The combustion process is very precisely computer controlled - they inject more air with the more gas to keep the mixture right, so the only thing that really changes is the force on the piston.
 
russ_watters said:
The combustion process is very precisely computer controlled - they inject more air with the more gas to keep the mixture right, so the only thing that really changes is the force on the piston.

So, you may not have seen some old cars/motorbikes which split out pile of black smoke when you accelarate. Even though, the force is increased.
 
A closed thottlle restricts air flow into an engines intake manifold. When you press on the throttle, the amount of restriction to the air intake is reduced, allowing more air to flow into the engine's intake manifold. Carburetors or a fuel injection system keep the fuel air mixture ratio optimized.
 
pixel01 said:
So, you may not have seen some old cars/motorbikes which split out pile of black smoke when you accelarate. Even though, the force is increased.
That black smoke is usually oil getting burned in the process.
 
pixel01 said:
It's easy to say : more gas => more energy => more force.
There's a point the gas mix is optimum, above that, gas burns less effectively, but the force does get stronger when you continue to push down the pedal?

yes right, there is a point of optimum air fuel ratio. but throttling does not mean you are increasing the fuel & air amount is kept constant. carburetor does that, fuel injection does it more effectively. Throttle => more gas(but air fuel ratio remains constant).
 
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FredGarvin said:
That black smoke is usually oil getting burned in the process.

NO gasoline burns black when rich [unburnt carbon smoke ]
as does diesel
oil burning smoke is gray
coollent is white [steam]
 
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ray b said:
NO gasoline burns black when rich [unburnt carbon smoke ]
as does diesel
oil burning smoke is gray
coollent is white [steam]
I had a '79 Camaro that begged to differ on that. I had a serious leak that allowed oil to get into the combustion side of the cylinders. The smoke cloud was VERY black.
 
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Fred, we typically class oil smoke as being blue/grey, although if it's very thick it can certainly look black (just because it's blocking so much light!). However, if you compare it to the black smoke emitted during partial combustion, you'd definitely call it blue/grey rather than black. Unburnt fuel is white.

I've had occasions where trucks going past work have had to put their fog lights on before, due to the amount of black and white smoke produced while I've been testing fuel systems...
 
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Well, it was a while ago. It looked pretty darned black to me, but it could have been a dark blue. It definitely was not white.
 

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