Maximizing Torque with a Wire Loop

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The problem involves a rectangular wire loop carrying a current placed in a magnetic field, with the goal of determining the dimensions that maximize the torque experienced by the loop.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the dimensions of the loop, with some suggesting that a square configuration maximizes area and torque. Questions arise regarding the reasoning behind these dimensions and the proof of the area maximization.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring geometric proofs and seeking clarification on the relationship between the loop's dimensions and the torque. There is an emphasis on systematic approaches to problem-solving, though no consensus has been reached.

Contextual Notes

Participants are operating under the assumption that the maximum torque occurs when the loop is oriented perpendicularly to the magnetic field, and there are references to geometry and perimeter constraints in the context of maximizing area.

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Homework Statement



Take a wire, and form it into a rectangular loop. It carries a current I.
What should its dimensions be, and how should it be placed inside of a magnetic field to maximize the torque on it?

Homework Equations



tau = NIAB sin theta

The Attempt at a Solution




There's no answer to this in my book, but shouldn't the dimensions just be L/4 by L/4 (a square), and it's perpendicular to the field?
 
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How did you come up with that answer?
 
since max(sin theta) = 1, when theta = pi/2, and the maximum area you can get is when the loop is a square.
I think this should be right.@below: This is proved using simple geometry (the area of a square > area of rectangle with same perimeter)
 
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Can you prove it?
 
I did what oneplusone did.
 
Provide the proof.
 
Can someone else please comment?
 
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Can someone else please comment?
I assume paisiello2 is asking you to prove that a square gives the largest area for a rectangle with a given perimeter. It's not hard to prove - doesn't even require calculus.
 
a,b are side lengths. 2a+2b= L, so a = b-L/2

Maximize: b(b-L/2 = b^2 - bL/2. Using -b/2a we get L/4 =b=a
 
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So far so good - looks like you will benefit from a systematic approach to problem solving.

Step 1,. spell out the theory - in words ... the torque on a rectangular wire loop sides a and b is proportional to [what?] and the sine of the angle between [what?] and [what?].

Step 2: write down the equations describing the things you need to maximize.
There are two.

max tau occurs when function(angle)=something and function(rectangle dimensions)=something

Step 3. evaluate the equations

Step 4. summarize your results in a conclusion.
(This should be one or two sentences that relate the question to the answer.)
 

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