Maximum area between two curves within a given interval

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The discussion revolves around finding the maximum area between two curves, specifically y=3-x^2 and y=-2x, within a defined interval. Participants are tasked with determining the placement of two vertical lines, one unit apart, that will enclose the maximum area between these curves.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the setup of integrals to compute the area between the curves and the implications of the chosen limits for the variable k. There is a focus on the need to derive a function A(k) representing the area between the vertical lines and the curves, and the application of the first derivative test to find critical points.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided guidance on the need to define the domain for k correctly and have suggested methods for finding the maximum area. There is an acknowledgment of the importance of the derivative in maximizing the area function A(k), with ongoing exploration of the implications of the integral setup.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the area calculation between the curves was not explicitly required for the current problem, and there are discussions about the valid range for k to ensure both vertical lines remain within the bounded area. Concerns about negative area values beyond certain limits are also raised.

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Homework Statement


Consider the area bounded between the curves [itex]y=3-x^2[/itex] and [itex]y=-2x[/itex]. Suppose two vertical lines, one unit apart, intersect the given area. Where should these lines be placed so that they contain a maximum amount of the given area between them? What is this maximum area?

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The Attempt at a Solution


First I computed the area between the two curves using the integral
[itex]A = \int_{-1}^{3} (3 - x^2) - (-2x) dx[/itex]
[itex]A = \int_{-1}^{3} 3 + 2x - x^2 dx[/itex]
[itex]A = \frac{32}{3}[/itex].

Then I set up another integral for the maximum area between two vertical lines [itex]y = k[/itex] and [itex]y = k+1[/itex]:
[itex]A(k) = \int_{k}^{k+1} 3 + 2x - x^2 dx[/itex], for [itex]k \in [-1, 3][/itex].

I'm not sure where to go from here, but something tells me there's some application of the first derivative test that I can put to use here. Unfortunately I'm not sure how to apply it. Any help is appreciated, thanks.
 
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SithsNGiggles said:

Homework Statement


Consider the area bounded between the curves [itex]y=3-x^2[/itex] and [itex]y=-2x[/itex]. Suppose two vertical lines, one unit apart, intersect the given area. Where should these lines be placed so that they contain a maximum amount of the given area between them? What is this maximum area?

Homework Equations



The Attempt at a Solution


First I computed the area between the two curves using the integral
[itex]A = \int_{-1}^{3} (3 - x^2) - (-2x) dx[/itex]
[itex]A = \int_{-1}^{3} 3 + 2x - x^2 dx[/itex]
[itex]A = \frac{32}{3}[/itex].

Then I set up another integral for the maximum area between two vertical lines [itex]y = k[/itex] and [itex]y = k+1[/itex]:
[itex]A(k) = \int_{k}^{k+1} 3 + 2x - x^2 dx[/itex], for [itex]k \in [-1, 3][/itex].

I'm not sure where to go from here, but something tells me there's some application of the first derivative test that I can put to use here. Unfortunately I'm not sure how to apply it. Any help is appreciated, thanks.

You need to find critical points of A(k), so you need its derivative. You can either integrate to get the formula then differentiate that or use the Fundamental Theorem of calculus to get the derivative A'(k). Either way set the derivative equal to zero to look for a max.
 
First of all, be careful with how you define the domain for "k". You sure the upper limit is 3? Think that the lines are placed at k and k+1, so that the second line should also fall into the area bounded by both curves.

You didn't really need to calculate the area bounded by the curves, that was not asked.

You seem to know how to calculate the area between the curves and the vertical lines as a function of your parameter "k". That area, called A(k), is a function which you want to maximize, doesn't that sound familiar? You derive A(k) and find the roots of dA/dk = 0 for k inside the valid domain... that's it. Finally calculating the maximum area shouldn't be diffcult!
 
Ah, I see how to go about this now. I wasn't sure if the integral over [k, k+1] was a function of x or k.

To address the concerns brought up: I see why you say I should set up the restriction [itex]k \in [-1, 2][/itex] to account for [itex]k + 1[/itex]. At the time, I thought it wouldn't matter. My reasoning was that, with the way the integral is set up, any area beyond the line x = 3 will be negative, so the area on the interval [k, k + 1] in such a scenario cannot be the maximum area. (I hope that made sense.)

Finding out the area between the two curves was a previous question, and I thought I might have needed it for this part so I included it, too.

[itex]A'(k) = \frac{d}{dk}[ [3x + x^2 - \frac{1}{3}x^3]_{k}^{k+1}][/itex]
[itex]A'(k) = \frac{d}{dk}[ (3(k + 1) + (k + 1)^2 - \frac{1}{3}(k+1)^3) - (3k+ k^2 - \frac{1}{3}k^3)][/itex]
[itex]A'(k) = \frac{d}{dk}[ \frac{11}{3} + k - k^2 ][/itex]
[itex]A'(k) = 1 - 2k[/itex]

And from here I'll carry on with the derivative test. Thanks for the help!
 

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