Maximum Positron Energy in Proton Fusion and Beta + Decay

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The discussion revolves around the maximum energy of a positron produced in the proton-proton fusion process, specifically the reaction leading to deuteron formation and the associated beta plus decay. Participants are examining the energy dynamics involved in this nuclear reaction, including binding energies and particle masses.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants explore the relationship between the binding energy of deuteron and the energy available for the positron. There are discussions on whether to treat the processes as separate or as a single reaction. Questions arise about the correct application of conservation laws and the implications of approximations in calculations.

Discussion Status

There is an ongoing exploration of the kinematic relationships and energy conservation principles. Some participants have provided guidance on focusing on the binding energy and the distribution of energy among the reaction products. Multiple interpretations of the problem are being considered, and while some participants express uncertainty, others suggest reasonable approximations.

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Participants are working under the constraints of homework rules, which may limit the depth of exploration and the types of solutions discussed. There is an emphasis on precision in calculations, with some noting the trade-off between accuracy and complexity in their approaches.

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Homework Statement


Consider;
p+p \rightarrow d + e^+ + \nu_e

Assume the binding energy of deuteron is 2.2MeV, calculate the maximum energy that the positron can have.

Homework Equations


m_p=938.28MeV/c^2
m_n=939.566MeV/c^2
m_d=1875.6MeV/c^2

The Attempt at a Solution


Assuming the neutrino was at rest after the colision for maximum positron energy.

So basically two process's go on, the \beta^+ decay of one of the protons, then the fusion of the neutron and remaining proton.

(1) \quad p \rightarrow n + e^+ +\nu_e
(2) \quad p+n \rightarrow d

The Q value of the decay:
Q=(m_p)c^2-(m_n)c^2=-1.286MeV
this is the minimum energy the proton would need to decay to a neutron?

so the energy i got was;
T_{e^+}=2.2-1.286=0.914MeV
where the 2.2 is the energy released from (2)?

But I am not sure i think this is wrong, but don't quite understand.
 
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Fusion plus decay is one single process. If you want to split it into parts (which does not help here), fusion would have to happen first, otherwise the decay could not happen at all.
 
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Ah thank you, I just don't quite understand where to begin, would I need to find the energy from the decay of the bound protons, to the bound neutron and proton?
 
All you need is the binding energy of 2.2 MeV and particle masses for kinematics. Neglect the initial kinetic energy of the protons, and find a way to distribute the 2.2 MeV over the reaction products for the maximal positron energy.
 
Oh I see, so treat it as a relativistic kinematic problem;

Energy conservation;
Q=\frac{1}{2}m_d v_d^2+\gamma_{e^+} m_{e^+} v_{e^+}
Because the deuteron mass would be larger than the portion it would get from 2.2MeV.

Conservation of momentum;
m_d v_d = m_{e^+}v_{e^+}
 
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Check the formula for the positron energy.
Apart from that, the approach is right.
 
Oh yes it's c^2 not v^2 thank you!
 
Okay so I got;

E_{e^+}=Q-\frac{m_{e^+}^2v_{e^+}^2}{2m_d}

where i used momentum conservation to substitute for v_d, I'm not sure how to get the velocity of the positron or how to get rid of it in the equation.

I could substitute for the momentum using E^2=(pc)^2+(mc^2)^2 but that gives a quadratic, where i could take the larger solution for the total energy of the positron?
 
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I could substitute for the momentum using E^2=(pc)^2+(mc^2)^2 but that gives a quadratic, where i could take the larger solution for the total energy of the positron?
Right (I guess one solution will be negative anyway),
 
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Thank you, got a reasonable solution.

Im just curious do you think it would've been okay to say that the second term for the equation for E_{e^+} would be much less than Q and therefore;

E_{e^+} \approx Q

Because the actual solution i got was E_{e^+} = 2.199MeV
 
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It is certainly a reasonable approximation if you don't care about keV precision, but then the question is too easy.
 
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Ah yes that makes sense always better to be precise when appropriate. Thank you for your help it was much appreciated :)
 

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