Maximum Wind Speeds and Atmosphere Loss on Small Planets

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between maximum wind speeds and atmosphere loss on small planets, particularly in the context of Mars. Participants explore whether there is a limit to wind speeds before they escape a planet's gravity and how this might contribute to atmospheric loss.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question if there is a limit to wind speeds before they escape a planet's gravity or dissipate into space, linking this to atmospheric loss on small planets.
  • One participant references escape velocity and atmospheric escape mechanisms, suggesting that achieving escape velocity with wind is unlikely.
  • Another participant proposes that gravity may influence the maximum wind speed, noting that the theoretical maximum speed would be just under escape velocity, which depends on mass and radius of the planet.
  • A participant mentions the equation for escape velocity and its applicability to spherical bodies, indicating that wind speed cannot exceed this value.
  • There is acknowledgment that extreme conditions would be necessary for wind speeds to approach escape velocity, but the physical restrictions on achieving such speeds are questioned.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying degrees of understanding and agreement on the concepts discussed, but no consensus is reached regarding the influence of gravity on maximum wind speeds or the implications for atmospheric loss.

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Limitations include the need for clarification on the physical mechanisms driving wind speed and the assumptions underlying the equations discussed. The discussion does not resolve the complexities involved in these relationships.

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I was reading the Mars article about dunes and I wondered to myself, is there a limit to wind speeds before the wind escapes the planet's gravity and enters into the upper atmosphere, or dissipates in space? Would this be a factor in atmosphere loss that the small planets all seem to have succumbed to?
 
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LKD_ said:
I was reading the Mars article about dunes and I wondered to myself, is there a limit to wind speeds before the wind escapes the planet's gravity and enters into the upper atmosphere, or dissipates in space? Would this be a factor in atmosphere loss that the small planets all seem to have succumbed to?

See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Escape_velocity for an understanding of escape velocity - as you can infer from the reading wind achieving escape velocity is unlikely.

This http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atmospheric_escape will give you a good basic understanding of the mechanisms behind atmospheric loss.

Hope this helps.
 
It does. Thank you.

But does the gravity have an effect on maximum windspeed for a planet?
 
LKD_ said:
It does. Thank you.

But does the gravity have an effect on maximum windspeed for a planet?

Theoretically the maximum speed limit would be just under the escape velocity which is derived with M (mass) and r (radius) as a variable. Gravity does not vary (G is the gravitational constant) in the equation, so it is mass and radius which has the variable effect.

Vesc=(2GM/r)2 works for spherical symmetrical bodies with the barycenter being direct center of the spherical object, you can plumb in the values for Mass of the planet, Radii of the planet, use the Gravitational constant and this will give you the escape velocity. Windspeed cannot be higher than this value.

Hope this helps.

EDIT: Need some clarification from more knowledgeable posters but there would need to be EXTREME conditions for this to be likely, but I fail to see any physical restrictions for these speed barring the mechanism for driving windspeed.
 
Very very helpful. Thanks for being so well versed to answer this.

I'm certain that one could come up with a 1 page equation that would account for a myriad of variables, but the simple understanding fits my level of understanding. Thank you.
 

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