Maxwell equations and wave equation in a medium

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The discussion revolves around deriving the damped wave equation for the electric field in an isotropic medium with constant conductivity, where there is no free charge present. Participants are examining the appropriate Maxwell equations applicable to this scenario.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the formulation of Maxwell's equations in the absence of free charge and the implications of Ohm's law on the wave equation. There are attempts to clarify the assumptions regarding the divergence and curl of the electric and magnetic fields.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided guidance on the Maxwell equations and suggested using material equations to relate the fields. However, there is an ongoing exploration of the assumptions and definitions needed to derive the wave equation, with no explicit consensus reached on the completeness of the provided information.

Contextual Notes

Participants express concerns about the adequacy of the problem statement, particularly regarding the lack of information on the medium's characteristics, such as permittivity and permeability.

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Homework Statement



Consider an isotropic medium with constant conductivity [itex]\sigma[/itex]. There is no free charge present, that is, [itex]\rho = 0[/itex].

a)What are the appropriate Maxwell equations for this medium?

b)Derive the damped wave equation for the electric field in the medium. Assume Ohm's law is of the form [itex]\vec{J}=\sigma\vec{E}[/itex].


Homework Equations



Maxwell equations and the curl


The Attempt at a Solution



a)
Maxwell equaitons with [itex]\rho_f=0[/itex] and [itex]\vec{J}=\frac{\vec{E}}{\rho}[/itex].

[tex] \nabla \cdot \vec{D} = 0<br /> [/tex]
[tex] <br /> \nabla \times \vec{E} = - \frac{\partial \vec{B}}{\partial t}[/tex]
[tex] \nabla \cdot \vec{B} = 0[/tex]
[tex] \nabla \times \vec{H} = \sigma \vec{E} + \epsilon_0 \mu_0 \frac{\partial \vec{D}}{\partial t}[/tex]

Its simply a matter of putting a [itex]\sigma \vec{E}[/itex] in place of the displacement current [itex]\vec{J}[/itex] right? hmmm...

b)
Here I am a little confused. I take the curl of the curl of [itex]\vec{E}[/itex],

[tex]\nabla \times (\nabla \times \vec{E}) = \nabla(\nabla \cdot \vec{E}) - \nabla^2 \vec{E} = -\nabla^2 \vec{E} = \nabla \times (-\frac{\partial \vec{B}}{\partial t}) = -\frac{\partial}{\partial t} (\nabla \times \vec{B})[/tex]

Now here I am not sure if I am correct in assuming that [itex]\nabla \cdot \vec{E} = 0[/itex] and I'm not sure what [itex]\nabla \times \vec{B}[/itex] in this case, since its not in fee space...


Any ideas?
 
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First thing you do is assume sinusoids. It's pretty near impossible otherwise. So start with the equations for E and H assuming a sinusoidal plane wave. Use the exponetial form E = E0exp(jwt) and H = H0exp(jwt) if you're an engineer or substitute i for j if you're a physicist. :-)

Wind up eliminating H, and get a partial differential equation for E. Solve it.
 
Im not trying to solve the wave equation, I am trying to derive it.
 
The fourth equation is correctly [itex]\nabla \times \vec{H} = \sigma \vec{E} +\frac{\partial \vec{D}}{\partial t}[/itex]

and use also the "material equations" [itex]\vec{D}=\epsilon \vec{E}[/itex], [itex]\vec{B}=\mu\vec{H}[/itex]

ehild
 
Can I get [itex]\mu[/itex] and [itex]\epsilon[/itex] from the conductivity I am given?
 
No, they are also characteristics of the medium.

ehild
 
bleh, so the question does not provide enough for an answer? My profs. really suck at writing questions, this is not the first time this has happened...
 
You have the appropriate Maxwell equations, and can write the damped wave equation replacing B=μH and D=εE. ε and μ are constants.

ehild
 

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