Maxwell's Wheel: Understanding Conservation of Energy and Derivatives

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The discussion revolves around understanding the theoretical aspects of Maxwell's wheel, particularly focusing on the conservation of energy and the application of derivatives in deriving position and velocity functions over time.

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  • Participants discuss the relationship between acceleration, velocity, and position, with some suggesting algebraic manipulation and integration as methods to derive the necessary functions. Questions about the interpretation of variables and the physical setup of the wheel are also raised.

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The conversation is active, with participants offering hints and suggestions for approaching the problem. There is an exploration of different methods to derive the equations of motion, and some participants express understanding of the concepts involved while seeking clarification on specific points.

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Well, I have to do experiment with Maxwell's wheel, but i struggle with theoretical background.
If you don't know what Maxwell's wheel is,
http://www.nikhef.nl/~h73/kn1c/praktikum/phywe/LEP/Experim/1_3_18.pdf

I understand conservation of energy and how we made that equation, but this part i don't get;

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Ok, i understand derivative, but how do i get s(t) and v(t).
Thanks!
 
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You just need a bit of algebra. Hint: first solve for the acceleration.
 
You have a very simple ODE. Solve it for v(t) using the given I.C. for v, then solve for s(t) = ∫v(t)dt using the I.C. for s.

EDIT: go with Doc Al, don't need formal ODE approach. Divide by v and solve for accel.
 
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I see that v derivated is acceleration, so when i divide equation and kill v(t) i get acceleration,
a= mg/(m+I/r2)

should i just double integrate it now for s(t) and once for v(t), yes,i get it.
thanks!
 
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One more thing
http://www.officeplayground.com/Assets/ProductPreview/pi3600-3799/3653_maxwellswheel_1.jpg
In scheme of wheel, where does ds point to?
 
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diracdelta said:
Edit:
I see that v derivated is acceleration, so when i divide equation and kill v(t) i get acceleration,
a= mg/(m+I/r2)
Right!

diracdelta said:
should i just double integrate it now for s(t) and once for v(t), yes,i get it.
Sure. (Or, since the acceleration is constant, you can use the standard kinematic formulas.)

diracdelta said:
In scheme of wheel, where does ds point to?
Down.
 
Alright. I can't remember why, if ds=d(phi)xr, where x i vector cross multiply. Using right hand rule, it should be perpenicular towards angle and radiaii?
 

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