McCabe-Thiele Diagram: Murphree Efficiencies & Reboiler Stage

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the inclusion of the reboiler stage in the McCabe-Thiele diagram when determining the number of stages in partial reflux distillation, specifically in relation to Murphree efficiencies.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether the reboiler stage should be included when stepping down from the distillate to the bottoms composition in the McCabe-Thiele diagram.
  • Another participant expresses confusion about the construction of the diagram and suggests that including the reboiler seems logical but lacks clarity without more information.
  • A different participant asserts that the reboiler must be included, referencing standard texts such as Coulson and Richardson or Geankopolis.
  • Another contribution suggests that the reboiler stage should be counted as an additional tray, thus increasing the total number of trays calculated from the graph.
  • One participant emphasizes the necessity of including the reboiler in the analysis.
  • A participant recommends consulting a Wikipedia article on the McCabe-Thiele method for further clarification.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally disagree on whether to include the reboiler stage in the McCabe-Thiele diagram, with multiple competing views presented without a clear consensus.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express uncertainty about the construction of the diagram and the implications of including or excluding the reboiler stage, indicating a lack of clarity in the assumptions or definitions being used.

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Hello,

I have a question regarding Murphree efficiences and the associated McCabe-Thiele diagram.

In partial reflux distillation, should I include the reboiler stage when stepping down (i.e. determining the # of stages) from the distillate to the bottoms composition? Or should I just use the total number of trays and forget the reboiler stage?

My friend asked a professor this question last semester and he told my friend to forget the reboiler. This doesn't make sense to me because if you do not include the reboiler stage then the diagram suggests the bottoms composition (the one coming from the reboiler) is the composition coming out from the last tray.

Here's the image of my current McCabe-Thiele diagram:
http://img434.imageshack.us/my.php?image=one8xh.jpg

Thanks.
 
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Having spent 4 years learning how to do this we have completely forgotten. It would seem to make sense to include the reboiler, but your construction just doesn't look right, if we had all the information you were given we could at least put our mind to it more completely.
 
In conclusio we think you are just about right.
 
yer , You must include the reboiler...the first step is always the rebolier...see Coulson and Richardson or Geankopolis (mass transfer) .
 
you shoould use a reboiler stage & counts it one extra so your total tray will become abt the trays calcualted from the graph plus the reboiler tray
 
You have to include the reboiler.
 

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