ME Dynamics - Multiple ideal pulleys + an inclined plane

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the dynamics of a system involving multiple ideal pulleys and an inclined plane, specifically focusing on finding the acceleration of two blocks connected by a rope. The scope includes theoretical dynamics and mathematical reasoning related to the constraints of the system.

Discussion Character

  • Homework-related
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • The initial attempt involves deriving a constraint equation relating the accelerations of two blocks, A and B, based on the lengths of rope involved.
  • One participant notes a small error in the drawing regarding the configuration of the pulleys.
  • A suggestion is made to consider the implications of block A moving upslope and how that affects the lengths of rope available, leading to a discussion on how the lengths must be distributed among the pulleys.
  • There is a proposal that the accelerations of the blocks are related by the equation a1 = 2/3 a2, though this is noted to depend on the definitions of a1 and a2.
  • Clarification is provided that a1 corresponds to the acceleration of block A and a2 to the acceleration of block B.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express some agreement on the relationship between the accelerations of the blocks, but the discussion includes uncertainties regarding the definitions of variables and the correctness of the initial setup. No consensus is reached on the overall solution.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved questions regarding the initial conditions and the specific configuration of the pulleys, which may affect the derivation of the constraint equations and the relationship between the accelerations.

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Homework Statement


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Find the acceleration of both blocks

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The Attempt at a Solution


Everything in black is given in the problem. The red/blue is my work.

First I want to relate the acceleration of block A to block B by finding the constraint equations:

Lrope = 2L1 + L2 + 2L3 + constants(lengths around pulleys)

taking the derivative twice to find the acceleration:

0 = 2L1 + L2 + 2L3

I feel like I have too many variable here. I should be able to knock it down to two so that I can relate the acceleration of A to B, correct? How would I do that?

The forces on B, all in Y using the normal xy-coordinate system.

MbAb = 3T - Mb(g)

The forces on A, using a coordinate system along the incline where n1 is "up" and n2 is positive along the slope DOWN:

Sum of the forces in n1 = ma(n1) = Na - mgCos30
Sum of the foces in n2 = ma(n2) = -2T - Fa + mgSin30

Relating the two coordinate systems:

n1 = Cos 30 j - Sin30 i
n2 = -sin30 j - cos30 i

Have I done everything correctly so far?
 
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There's a small error in the drawing. The small pulley right above L3 is fixed to the large pulley above it.
 
To investigate your constraint equation, consider the situation if block A moved upslope by some distance x. Two strings are "giving up" a length x, so that makes a length of 2x available to pass over the top pulley. That "new" length has to be distributed over how many lengths as the bottom pulley moves down? By how much must each extend in order to accommodate the "new" 2x?
 
They must extend by 2x/3 ?
 
They must extend by 2x/3 ?
 
Looks good.
 
So then

a1 = 2/3 a2?
 
Feodalherren said:
So then

a1 = 2/3 a2?
Well, depending upon which block is a1 and which is a2, that seems to be a valid conclusion.
 
Ops :). a1 would be the acceleration of block A and a2 wold be the acceleration of block B.
 
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