Size of a cube for a molecule of ideal gas

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The discussion revolves around calculating the side length of a cube that encloses a molecule of an ideal gas at a specified temperature and pressure. The context involves the ideal gas law and considerations of molecular size and volume.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants explore the calculation of the number of molecules in a given volume and the subsequent determination of the cube's side length. Questions arise regarding the assumptions made about molecular size and the lack of specification for significant figures in the problem statement.

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Some participants provide feedback on the arithmetic and setup of the original poster's calculations. Others contribute thoughts on the typical sizes of molecules and the implications for the cube's dimensions, indicating a productive exchange of ideas without reaching a consensus.

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There is a mention of varying estimates for molecular sizes and the potential impact of these estimates on the calculations. The discussion also highlights the absence of significant figure specifications in the problem statement.

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Homework Statement


The temperature of an ideal gas is 00C and the pressure is 1[atm]. imagine every molecule is enclosed in a cube, what's it's side length?

Homework Equations


PV=nRT
Avogadro's number: 6.023E23

The Attempt at a Solution


I assume volume of i liter:
$$1[atm]\cdot 1[liter]=n\cdot 0.08208\cdot 273\rightarrow n=0.0446[mole]$$
Molecules per 1 liter:
$$0.0446\cdot 6.023\cdot 10^{23}=2.687\cdot 10^{22}$$
How many molecules are on one side?
$$\sqrt[3]{2.687\cdot 10^{22}}=29951774$$
The length of a side:
$$\frac{10[cm]}{2995177}=3.34\cdot 10^{-7}[cm]$$
The answer in the book: 3E-7[cm]
 
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No specification of significant figures anywhere in the problem statement? Haven't checked your arithmetic in detail, but the set-up and execution looks great.
 
Thanks, that's what i asked
 
I always like to draw a picture of what the molecule in the box looks like when I teach this, to give students a sense of scale.

The box is about 30 Angstrom on a side. How big is a typical molecule? How big is the typical box for a liquid?
 
A bi atomic molecule is about 1[A] am i right? then the side is bigger 30 times more, but in the book it's written that's it's only 10 times larger.
The volume of one mole of water is 18[cm3]. Molecular weight 18:
$$\sqrt[3]{6.023\times 10^{23}}=84450901,\ \sqrt[3]{18}=2.62[cm]$$
$$\frac{2.62}{84450901}=31\times10^{-9}[cm]=31\times 10^{-11}[m]=3.1\times 10^{-10}[m]=3.1[Angstram]$$
Water molecule's size is about 1.5[A]
 
Water molecule is a bit bigger (diameter 2.75 A here); O-H centers are .94 Angstrom apart.

And here are a few other molecules. 3 to 4 A appears to be a good estimate
 
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Thanks
 

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