Mean ray length from apex to base of an oblique circular cone

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The discussion revolves around calculating the mean length and variance of rays from the apex of an oblique circular cone to points on or within its base circumference. The scope includes mathematical reasoning and integration challenges related to this geometric problem.

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  • One participant poses the initial question regarding the mean length and variance of rays from the apex to points on the base circumference.
  • Another participant emphasizes the necessity of specifying a probability measure for the problem, noting the ambiguity in how such a measure should be defined.
  • A third participant suggests assuming a uniform probability distribution over the base area and provides a detailed mathematical formulation for the probability measure and the ray length calculations.
  • This participant also mentions the need to integrate the expressions derived for mean and variance, expressing difficulty with the integration process.
  • A later reply concurs with the complexity of the integrations, suggesting that a closed-form solution may not be feasible and recommending numerical integration for practical applications.

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Participants express differing views on the specification of the probability measure and the feasibility of integrating the resulting expressions, indicating that the discussion remains unresolved regarding these aspects.

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Limitations include the unspecified nature of the probability measure and the challenges associated with the integrations of the derived expressions, which may depend on the definitions and assumptions made by participants.

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Consider an oblique circular cone of altitude h, base radius R, with apex directly above a point on the base circumference. What is the mean length (& variance) for the set of all rays from the apex to points on or within the base circumference?
 
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erielb said:
Consider an oblique circular cone of altitude h, base radius R, with apex directly above a point on the base circumference. What is the mean length (& variance) for the set of all rays from the apex to points on or within the base circumference?
For this question to meaningful, one must specify a probability measure. It is not clear to me how such a measure should be specified in this case. There seems to be several choices...
 
Assuming uniform probability for all points in base area A, the associated probability of an apex ray of length L through a given point in A is P(dA) = 1/A x r x dr x dw where r is the radius from the center of base to the specified point and w is the corresponding central azimuthal angle (reckoned from the diameter constructed from the point where altitude h intercepts the circumference). Establish the length c(R,r,w) of the planar ray from the base of the altitude to the point in question via law of cosines say and express apex ray length L(h,R,r,w) as the SQRT of the hypotenuse of the right triangle formed from L, h, & c. Integrate L(h,R,r,w)x P(dA) over r & w from r==0 to r= R, and w=0 t0 2(pi) respectively for mean and variance accordingly. My difficulty is with the integrations of the resulting expressions.
 
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erielb said:
My difficulty is with the integrations of the resulting expressions.
Yes, very diffucult integrations indeed. I would guess that this cannot be expressed in closed form (unless thare are some special functions which show up here). If the problem comes from a practical situation, I would recommend numerical integration.
 
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