Meaning of each member being a unit vector

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The discussion centers around the interpretation of unit vectors in the context of directional data and tensor products. Participants explore the implications of averaging these unit vectors and the notation used in related academic literature, particularly regarding fabric tensors.

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  • Alek questions the meaning of "each member is a unit vector" and whether each value of n represents a normalized vector or could contain multiple vectors.
  • Some participants propose that each observed value n(i) is a basis vector of length 1, suggesting that they span a phase space.
  • Alek expresses confusion about the notation nin and seeks clarification on its meaning.
  • One participant notes the existence of a paper titled "Distribution of Directional Data and Fabric Tensors" and provides a link for reference.
  • Another participant mentions difficulty accessing the paper and shares a thesis that defines fabric tensors, inviting experts to explain them.
  • A later reply acknowledges the usefulness of the shared thesis link and provides an alternative mirror link for others.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the interpretation of the notation and concepts discussed. Multiple viewpoints and uncertainties remain regarding the meaning of unit vectors and the specifics of fabric tensors.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the definitions and implications of terms used in the paper, particularly regarding the notation and the context of fabric tensors. There are unresolved questions about the averaging process and the representation of directional data.

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Meaning of each member being a unit vector, and how the products of each tensor can be averaged.
Summary: Meaning of each member being a unit vector, and how the products of each tensor can be averaged.

Hello!
I am struggling with understanding the meaning of "each member is a unit vector":
Let n(1), n(2), and n(N) be observed directional data, where each member is a unit vector. The most fundamental quantities are various averages of them. Since we are trying to seek tensor quantities to characterize the data distribution, we first consider the average of their tensor product, or the “moment”, and put
Ni1i2...in = ⟨ni1ni2...nin

I can see that N would represent the number of samples, and the pointy bracket represents an average:
Average of ith component of a = ⟨ai⟩ = (ai1+ai2+aiN)/N

However the notation of the averaged tensors in the text is ni2...nin, which leads me to wonder what i and n represent. It states that each member (of n?) is a unit vector, does that mean that each value of n is a normalized vector representing a direction? Or could a single value of n contain multiple vectors of directional data?

The paper later states that they adopt the summation convention over tensor indices, would this mean that something like i represents the axes that make up each vector (such as x,y,z in Cartesian) and 1 through n represents the axes that make up each vector? In that case it would seem that the directional vectors from each sample are averaged together. I'm not sure if I am on the right track or entirely incorrect.

Thanks in advance for any help,
Alek
 
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AlekM said:
... does that mean that each value of n is a normalized vector representing a direction ...
We have ##N## observations and they span the phase space ##n^{(1)},\ldots,n^{(N)}##, i.e. each observed value ##n^{(i)}## is considered a basis vector of length ##1##. From there we can consider various other vectors in this space.

However, without context this is a bit of a guess.
 
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AlekM said:
The paper later states

Is the paper online? Can you give a link to it?
 
I just found that a page earlier direction is represented by unit vector n, so I think this is correct. However my next confusion is what nin represents.

As for the paper it is called "Distribution of Directional Data and Fabric Tensors," and I am referencing the beginning of page 2: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/0020722584900909
 
I can't read the paper since I'm not a member.

It surprised me how many articles are written about "fabric tensors". I hadn't heard of them before.

This thesis https://scholarworks.montana.edu/xm...2264/ShertzerR0811.pdf?sequence=1&isAllowed=y defines them on page 58 of the PDF , page 38 of the document. Perhaps some forum member who is an expert in tensors can explain them.

FabricTensor1.jpg
 
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Wow I'm not sure how I missed that source, it is incredibly useful. Thanks for sharing!

I didn't realize that link wasn't open to everyone, for anyone else reading this thread here is a mirror: http://einsteiniumstudios.com/fabric_tensors.pdf
 

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