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The discussion focuses on proving that for any Borel set E within a metric space X, which is a countable union of open sets X_k, there exists an open set U such that the measure of the difference, μ(U \ E), is less than ε. Key concepts include the use of countable subadditivity and the properties of Borel sets, which are generated by countable unions, intersections, and relative complements of open sets. The participants emphasize the importance of constructing U using open balls and intersections of the sets X_k, while also noting the necessity of assuming finite measure for the sets involved.

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Homework Statement


We have a metric space X=\cup X_k where X_k\subset X_{k+1} and each X_k is open. Show that for any Borel set E, there is an open set U such that \mu (U-E)&lt;\epsilon. (Its supposed to be "U \ E".)

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\mu is a measure, so probably the important thing is countable subadditivity.
A borel set is a set generated by countable union, countable intersection, and relative complement of open sets.

The Attempt at a Solution



I know that if I have an open set I can intersect it with an X_k and still have an open set... In this way I believe I can chop up any open set to countable pieces. But how can I get the difference in measure to be less than \epsilon ?
The only solutions to a problem like this that I have seen are in the context of Lebesgue measure and \mathbb{R}^n, but I cannot use this context. I must prove it in a general metric space with a general measure. Also, if anyone can recommend a book that has a good treatment of general measures instead of focusing on Lebesgue, I would appreciate the suggestion. So far I have Royden and Folland.
 
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Going back to set notation A/B= A\cap B* (with * denoting the compliment).

This should make it easier to use like like countable subadditivity and finite intersections for measure.
 
Okay, good point, I like that. But... I still don't know how to get an open set (or countably many open sets) tightly wrapped around E.
 
ArcanaNoir said:
Okay, good point, I like that. But... I still don't know how to get an open set (or countably many open sets) tightly wrapped around E.

You're working in a metric space so you should consider looking at a collection (or more than one collection) of open balls.
 
I'm just guessing because I haven't actually thought this problem out in detail but...

If we let E be generated by some of the Xk 's. I would think for a general borel set it doesn't have to be the X's but I'm not sue if the logic would flow nicely otherwise.


Then E= \cupsome k's Xk.
So E*= (\cupk Xk)* = \cap Xk*

and U/E is simply U\cap(\capk Xk) so this leaves you with a countable number of intersections.

And then you can try and work it from here. I think you may have to assume at some point that X has finite measure; not sure though.
 
Jufro said:
If we let E be generated by some of the Xk 's. I would think for a general borel set it doesn't have to be the X's but I'm not sue if the logic would flow nicely otherwise.Then E= \cupsome k's Xk.
So E*= (\cupk Xk)* = \cap Xk*

and U/E is simply U\cap(\capk Xk) so this leaves you with a countable number of intersections.

But what if E is not a union of Xk's? What if E is only parts of the Xks?

And then you can try and work it from here. I think you may have to assume at some point that X has finite measure; not sure though.
Right, I forgot to mention \mu (X_k)&lt;\infty
 
pasmith said:
You're working in a metric space so you should consider looking at a collection (or more than one collection) of open balls.

Yeah, but how would I get only countably many open balls?
 
Yeah, generating from the Xk 's is kind of nice but isn't really true.

But that is ok because if your generating sets are Ji then each Ji \subset \cup for some k's Xk.

And then you could use that the fact that if A\subset B then μ(A)≤ μ(B).

I think that should be enough to get the ball rolling.

The goal, in my mind, is to find what the measure of set U has to be and so that you can try and construct it.

Also, a trivial answer is U = ∅. Cheap, but finding a solution sort of proves that a solution has to exist.
 
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Holy crap I solved it.
 

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