Measurement of actual CO2 mass emitted from a diesel engine

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The discussion revolves around methods to measure the actual total mass of carbon dioxide (CO2) emitted from a diesel engine used in power generation. Participants explore various approaches, including the use of sensors and calculations based on fuel consumption, to determine CO2 emission rates from the engine exhaust system.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant inquires about methods to measure CO2 mass emissions directly from a diesel engine's exhaust, expressing a need for correlation with fuel consumption data.
  • Another suggests that combustion gas analyzers could be used, although they typically provide constituents rather than flow rates, prompting a calculation based on fuel usage instead.
  • A participant proposes using a Mass Air Flow (MAF) sensor to measure intake air, arguing that combining this data with CO2 concentration could yield the desired emission rate, although they note that air consumption may not be useful for diesel engines due to their operation without a throttle.
  • One participant recalls a method used by California for pollution measurement involving a light beam and differential absorption measurement, suggesting that similar techniques could be explored.
  • Another participant believes that calculating CO2 emissions from fuel usage is very accurate.
  • A participant with experience in emission testing emphasizes the importance of integrating exhaust flow rate and concentration data, mentioning the use of Portable Emissions Measurement Systems (PEMS) and the need for calibration and corrections for ambient conditions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views on the methods for measuring CO2 emissions, with some advocating for direct measurement techniques while others suggest calculations based on fuel consumption. There is no consensus on the best approach, and multiple competing views remain.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight various methods and considerations for measuring CO2 emissions, including the need for calibration and the influence of ambient conditions. Some methods discussed may have limitations based on the specific characteristics of diesel engines.

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Looking for a method to measure the total CO2 mass or rate of emission of CO2 from a diesel engine used in a power generation station.
I was wondering if there is a method to measure the actual total mass of carbon dioxide (CO2) emitted from a diesel engine used with a generator for power generation (https://www.cat.com/en_US/products/new/power-systems/electric-power/diesel-generator-sets/1000028914.html). Infrared CO2 sensors, such as ENMET EX-6165 sensor, generally measure the gas concentration in parts-per-million (ppm), describing the amount of gas by volume of the air at a certain time and location, which is not what I am looking for in this application. Liquid flow sensors are already installed in the diesel fuel supply and return lines to determine the amount of diesel consumed by the engine, and hence the amount of carbon burned and CO2 created, but I am looking to correlate these measurements with actual measurements of CO2 mass produced at the output of the exhaust system.

The question can be formulated as how to measure the CO2 emission rate from the engine exhaust system. A typical solution in practice would be to find a dedicated gas flow sensor and a monitoring system that accomplishes that.

Any idea on how to approach this problem would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks.
 
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You can buy combustion gas analyzers but they give constituents not flow rates. But couldn't you just calculate it from fuel usage?
 
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Another round-about method:

Todays cars use an MAF (Mass Air Flow) Sensor to measure intake air.

The basic operation is the sensor is a Hot Wire Anemometer, which combined with intake air temperature, and cross sectional area of the input duct yields enough information to calculate the MAF rate.

Combining the above data with the CO2 concentration should yield your desired answer.

(I have not read any of these, but there are many results that look promising:
https://www.google.com/search?&q=how+measure+co2+emissions)

Cheers,
Tom
 
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Tom.G said:
Another round-about method:

Todays cars use an MAF (Mass Air Flow) Sensor to measure intake air.

The basic operation is the sensor is a Hot Wire Anemometer, which combined with intake air temperature, and cross sectional area of the input duct yields enough information to calculate the MAF rate.

Combining the above data with the CO2 concentration should yield your desired answer.

(I have not read any of these, but there are many results that look promising:
https://www.google.com/search?&q=how+measure+co2+emissions)

Cheers,
Tom
Air consumption is not useful for calculating CO2 from a Diesel engine because it does not have a throttle. Air is always fully open and not related to fuel mass.
 
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Several years ago the State of California published a Request For Proposal (RFP) for pollution measuring equipment to be placed at freeway on-ramps. As I recall, the approach was a light beam (probably multiple Lasers) across the ramp and a wavelength selective detector for a differential absorption measurement. That is the same approach as those fingertip Pulse-Oximeters that measure pulse rate and blood O2 saturation.

Edit: If you are in a country and/or state that has emission standards for vehicles, how about asking the government agency how they measure emissions. Here in the USA that information must be made public so the manufacturers can meet the standards.
 
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I believe that calculating CO2 from fuel usage is very accurate.
 
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I’ve worked on emission testing setups for diesel engines, and getting accurate CO₂ mass values requires careful integration of exhaust flow rate and concentration data. Using a PEMS unit or combining a flowmeter with an NDIR sensor usually does the trick. Calibration is key. Also, correcting for ambient temperature and pressure helps ensure repeatable results under different test conditions.
 
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