Measuring Blocks Equilibrium Displacements

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The discussion revolves around the equilibrium displacements of two blocks connected by springs, with specific masses and spring constants provided. Participants are examining the formulation of the governing equations of motion for the system.

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  • Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants are discussing the setup of differential equations for the motion of the blocks, questioning the notation and terms used in the equations. There is a focus on maintaining symbolic representations rather than substituting numerical values early in the process.

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Some participants have expressed agreement on the correctness of the differential equations presented. There is an exploration of the implications of using specific symbols and the potential complexity of the solution process. Guidance has been offered regarding the focus on the steady-state solution and the use of computational tools for algebraic manipulation.

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Participants are navigating the challenges of maintaining clarity in their algebraic expressions while addressing the physical parameters involved, such as mass and damping coefficients. There is an acknowledgment of the labor-intensive nature of solving the system symbolically.

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"The displacements of the blocks
from equilibrium are both measured to the right. Block 1 has a mass of 15 grams and block 2 a mass of 10 grams. The spring constants of the springs are shown in dynes/cm."
I don't know if i understood very well the notation, but i interpreted as F(t) acting only in x2

I started writing a system, before i go on i want to know if it is right, seems quite laborious and tiring solve it :o

What you think about?

## {15×(d^2 x1)/(dt^2) = -15 x1 - 90 (x1 - x2) - 15(dx1)/(dt) + cos(w t)} ##
## {(d^2 x2)/(dt^2) = -x2 - 9 (x2 - x1) - (dx2)/(dt)} ##
 
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LCSphysicist said:
Homework Statement:: All below
Relevant Equations:: All below

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"The displacements of the blocks
from equilibrium are both measured to the right. Block 1 has a mass of 15 grams and block 2 a mass of 10 grams. The spring constants of the springs are shown in dynes/cm."
I don't know if i understood very well the notation, but i interpreted as F(t) acting only in x2

I started writing a system, before i go on i want to know if it is right, seems quite laborious and tiring solve it :eek:

What you think about?

## {15×(d^2 x1)/(dt^2) = -15 x1 - 90 (x1 - x2) - 15(dx1)/(dt) + cos(w t)} ##
## {(d^2 x2)/(dt^2) = -x2 - 9 (x2 - x1) - (dx2)/(dt)} ##
Where does the third 15 in the first equation come from? Should that be γ?
Please resist the temptation to plug in numbers straight away. Create variables as necessary and keep everything symbolic until the end. It has many advantages, including making it easier for others to follow your algebra.
 
haruspex said:
Where does the third 15 in the first equation come from? Should that be γ?
Please resist the temptation to plug in numbers straight away. Create variables as necessary and keep everything symbolic until the end. It has many advantages, including making it easier for others to follow your algebra.
The third 15.
F = -bv = -m*y*v = -15*1*v

"Create variables as necessary and keep everything symbolic until the end." I totally agree with you, the problem here is that i though that maintain all the k in the solution would be a problem, because if the system is right, what immediately i would do is or assume x1 and x2 as something like A*cos + B*sin, or i would try to find a matrix what would lead me to a characteristic polynomial, so i would find w and their normal modes A (and, if this would be right, i see how tiring would be to handle the three coefficients k in a (probably) two degree equation
 
LCSphysicist said:
F = -bv = -m*y*v = -15*1*v
Ah, yes - I forgot ##\gamma## is defined as a multiplier on the mass. Not a convention I've come across. Seems a bit weird.
Note that using symbols instead of numbers would have alerted me to that.😉
 
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The differential equations of @LCSphysicist in post #1 look correct to me. I assume that the question is asking for the average rate of dissipation of energy after the transient part of the solution has died away. So, you only need to find the steady-state part of the solution (which doesn't depend on the initial conditions). It shouldn't be too bad if you use computer software to carry out the algebra.
 
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