Simple kinematics with friction

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The discussion focuses on calculating the final velocity of the center of mass of a system consisting of two blocks on a frictionless surface, with a kinetic coefficient of friction μk between them. The first method proposed involves using the equations of motion, resulting in a complex expression that includes μk and gravitational acceleration g. The second method simplifies the calculation by directly applying Newton's second law, yielding a more straightforward formula for the center of mass velocity that does not depend on μk or g. Participants seek clarification on the correct formulation of acceleration in the first method.

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Homework Statement


A stack of two blocks sits on a frictionless surface; however, between the two blocks is a kinetic coefficient of friction μk. External force F is applied to the top block. During the time the force is applied, the top block is displaced by x1, and the bottom block is displaced by x2. Assume enough force is applied that x1 > x2. What is the final velocity of the center of mass of the system in terms of the values above and g?

Homework Equations


Fnet = ma and the standard kinematics equations

The Attempt at a Solution


Since force is constant, acceleration is constant and x1 = 1/2at2 where a = F/m - ukg. Solving for t, we get t = √(2x1/(F/m - ukg). Also, vfinal = 2vavg = 2 * (x1/t + x2/t) / 2 = something with uk and g in it.

The smarter method is just to use F = ma and acm = F/2m. The final position of the center of mass is x1+x2/2 and using v2f - v2i = 2ad we get vcm = √F/2m * (x1 + x2) which doesn't involve uk or g at all.

I'm wondering whether there's a the top method is wrong or if there's a simplification step that would link the two answers.
 
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For me, the 2nd method is totally fine.

For the 1st method, can you explain whether it is a=(F/m)-ukg or it is a=F/(m-ukg)?
 

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