High School Measuring Rest Length While Moving

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The discussion centers on the complexity of measuring the rest length of an object while moving at a significant speed. A proposed method involves calculating the time taken for signals emitted in both directions, factoring in time dilation effects. However, some participants question the necessity of this approach, suggesting that simply stopping to measure in the rest frame or using Lorentz transformations could yield simpler solutions. The conversation highlights a preference for straightforward methodologies in physics calculations. Overall, the discussion emphasizes the balance between accuracy and simplicity in measuring relativistic effects.
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I don't remember seeing this solution to the question.

Imagine an object of length d with a reflector on the far end (x=4).
A moves past the object at speed a, emitting a signal at the origin in the positive x direction. A makes one pass in the +x direction, reverses and makes one pass in the -x direction.
Relative to U, with c=1, a=.4:
time out is the same for both passes, t0=d/c.
return time-pass 1, t1=t0(1-a)/(1+a)
return time-pass 2, t2=t0(1+a)/(1-a)
with time dilation for A;
total time-pass 1, T1=2t0*sqrt ((1-a)/(1+a))
total time-pass 2, T2=2t0*sqrt ((1+a)/(1-a))
t0=.5sqrt(T1*T2)
Example:
d=.5sqrt(5.24*12.16) = 4.0

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Looks right, but the methodology seems overly complex to me. I am required to decelerate from +a to -a. Why not just stop at zero and measure in the rest frame? Or just use the Lorentz transforms, given that I need to know the velocity precisely enough to sign flip it?
 
Ibix said:
Looks right, but the methodology seems overly complex to me. I am required to decelerate from +a to -a. Why not just stop at zero and measure in the rest frame? Or just use the Lorentz transforms, given that I need to know the velocity precisely enough to sign flip it?
I agree with simplicity. Was just making calculations for doppler effects, and thought this would work, but needed another opinion.
Thanks.
 
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