Measuring Vibration on Screws in Vehicle Flanges

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the issue of flange screw failures in a vehicle, specifically focusing on the potential role of vibrations in causing these failures. Participants explore methods for measuring flange acceleration and assessing whether the observed acceleration levels are excessive. The conversation includes technical considerations related to bolt specifications and structural analysis.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests measuring flange acceleration along the screw axis to understand the impact of vibrations on screw failure.
  • Another participant proposes reconstructing local displacement from the acceleration signal and performing finite element method (FEM) calculations to check for fatigue failure.
  • A different participant requests detailed specifications about the tapped hole, including dimensions, thread size, and installation torque, to perform a bolt stress analysis.
  • There is a suggestion to consider using a bolt with a polymeric locking patch as a potential solution.
  • Participants express the need for technical data handling and analysis to address the issue effectively.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants present various approaches and considerations regarding the measurement and analysis of vibrations and screw failures, but no consensus is reached on the best method or solution. Multiple competing views remain regarding the technical aspects and potential remedies.

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Limitations include the need for specific technical data that has not yet been provided, as well as unresolved questions about the adequacy of current measurements and analyses.

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Hi guys, in my company we have seen a lot a failures on a flange, in particular one flange screw strips. This flange is mounted in a vehicle and it support some hydraulic pipes. The designer thinks vibrations should cause the failure and so he suggests me to measure the flange acceleration along the screw axis. But how can I understand if the acceleration are too high?
 
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serbring said:
Hi guys, in my company we have seen a lot a failures on a flange, in particular one flange screw strips. This flange is mounted in a vehicle and it support some hydraulic pipes. The designer thinks vibrations should cause the failure and so he suggests me to measure the flange acceleration along the screw axis. But how can I understand if the acceleration are too high?
Hi--from the acceleration signal you should be able to reconstrunct the loal diplacement as function of time. Then, you could do some FEM calculations on the structure, maybe checking for fatigue failure.

M
 
serbring: Is this a tapped hole? Post all dimensions, thread size, thread engagement length, material specifications, bolt installation torque, lubrication, and applied loads. Has the tapped hole been measured, to ensure the fabricator is not tapping the hole with sloppy thread tolerance, exceeding the thread tolerance specified on the drawing? Perform a bolt stress analysis, to determine if the thread shear stress exceeds the proof stress. Perhaps try a bolt with a polymeric locking patch.
 
nvn said:
serbring: Is this a tapped hole? Post all dimensions, thread size, thread engagement length, material specifications, bolt installation torque, lubrication, and applied loads. Has the tapped hole been measured, to ensure the fabricator is not tapping the hole with sloppy thread tolerance, exceeding the thread tolerance specified on the drawing? Perform a bolt stress analysis, to determine if the thread shear stress exceeds the proof stress. Perhaps try a bolt with a polymeric locking patch.

Hello nvn, yes it is a tapped hole. I will post all the data you need. Only one question: how do you handle those technical data?
 
drMS said:
Hi--from the acceleration signal you should be able to reconstrunct the loal diplacement as function of time. Then, you could do some FEM calculations on the structure, maybe checking for fatigue failure.

M

Hello drMR, ok I have understood, I will try to check if we have a FEM software.
 

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