Measuring x and ##p_{y}## precisely

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The discussion revolves around the topic of measurements in quantum mechanics, specifically focusing on the commutation relations between position and momentum operators, and their implications regarding the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle.

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  • The original poster attempts to understand the implications of the commutator being zero and questions how this relates to measurement precision. Some participants discuss the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle and its relevance to the problem.

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Participants are exploring the relationship between the commutation of operators and measurement precision. Guidance has been offered regarding the application of the uncertainty relation to the problem, but there is no explicit consensus on the implications of the results discussed.

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There is confusion regarding the interpretation of measurements in quantum mechanics and how they relate to the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle, which is central to the discussion.

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$$ [\hat {x}, \hat {p}_{y}] = \hat {x}\hat {p}_{y} - \hat {p}_{y} \hat {x}$$
$$= \hat {x}(-i \hbar \frac {\partial f}{\partial y}) - (- i \hbar \frac {\partial (fx)}{\partial y}) $$
Since x is not a function of y, it can be taken out of the derivative, so the commutator is zero.

However, I have no clue how to answer the next two questions. I am very confused regarding measurements in quantum mechanics. Does it have something to do with Heisenberg Uncertainty principle?
 
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Maylis said:
I am very confused regarding measurements in quantum mechanics. Does it have something to do with Heisenberg Uncertainty principle?
In this context it indeed does. It can be shown that the product of the imprecisions in the measurements of two observables A and B follows the Heisenberg uncertainty relation:

$$\Delta A \Delta B \geq \frac{1}{2}\left | \left\langle \left[ \hat{A}, \hat{B} \right] \right\rangle \right |$$
With this you can answer the second question.

For the third one, do the exact same thing as you did for the first question: operate with the commutator on a test function f and see if you can rearrange the order of the derivatives so that the result is zero.
 
Since the commutator is zero, does that mean that I can measure it precisely? Because ##\sigma_{x} \sigma_{p_{y}} \ge 0##?
 
That's right, their measurements are not constrained by the uncertainty relation.
 

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