Not sure I understand commutation relations

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The discussion revolves around the understanding and application of commutation relations in quantum mechanics, specifically focusing on the operators \(a\) and \(a^{\dagger}\). Participants are examining the correct treatment of commutators and the implications of their properties in various calculations.

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  • The original poster attempts to clarify their understanding of the commutator definition and its application in specific calculations involving operators. They express confusion about the steps taken in a referenced solution and question whether they are correctly expanding the operators involved.
  • Some participants question the validity of the original poster's approach to the commutator, suggesting that they may be misapplying the properties of commutators and operator composition.
  • Others suggest considering the properties of commutators to simplify the calculations, indicating that the original poster may benefit from a clearer understanding of these properties.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing insights into the properties of commutators and how they relate to the original poster's calculations. There is a recognition of the need for further clarification on the topic, and some guidance has been offered regarding the use of commutator properties.

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Participants are navigating the complexities of quantum mechanics and the specific rules governing operator algebra. There is an acknowledgment of potential gaps in the original poster's understanding of commutators, which may be affecting their ability to solve the problem correctly.

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Firstly, I'm looking at this:

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I'm confused because my understanding is that the commutator should be treated like so:

$$[a,a^{\dagger}] = aa^{\dagger} - a^{\dagger}a$$

but the working in the above image looks like it only goes as far as

$$aa^{\dagger}$$

This surely isn't the case, so I think I may have got my understanding wrong regarding how to take the correct steps when working out a commutation relation

Secondly, I have this question, which I think may further shed light on where I'm going wrong, if anyone may be kind enough to have a look for me:

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I work through it like so:

$$[a^2,a^{\dagger}] = \Bigg[\frac{m}{2\hbar\omega}(\omega \hat{x} + \frac{i}{m}\hat{p})^2, \sqrt{\frac{m}{2\hbar\omega}}(\omega \hat{x} - \frac{i}{m}\hat{p}) \Bigg]$$
$$ = \frac{m}{2\hbar\omega}(\omega \hat{x} + \frac{i}{m}\hat{p})^2 \sqrt{\frac{m}{2\hbar\omega}}(\omega \hat{x} - \frac{i}{m}\hat{p}) - \frac{m}{2\hbar\omega}(\omega \hat{x} + \frac{i}{m}\hat{p})^2 \sqrt{\frac{m}{2\hbar\omega}}(\omega \hat{x} - \frac{i}{m}\hat{p})$$
taking this part alone:
$$(\omega \hat{x} + \frac{i}{m}\hat{p})^2$$
I'm getting:
$$\omega^2[\hat{x},\hat{x}] + \frac{\omega i}{m}[\hat{x},\hat{p}] + \frac{\omega i}{m}[\hat{p},\hat{x}] - \frac{1}{m}[\hat{p},\hat{p}]$$
$$ = 0 + \frac{\omega i}{m}(i \hbar) + \frac{\omega i}{m}(-i \hbar) + 0 $$
$$ = 0$$

Which would give a final result:

$$[a^2,a^{\dagger}] = 0 $$

So I clearly don't know how to go about this the right way!

The only error I can think of is that I'm supposed to put a dummy function alongside the operators i.e. I'm supposed to actually show that:

$$[a^2,a^{\dagger}]\Psi(x) = 2a\Psi(x) $$

This worked in a previous exercise where I demonstrated

$$[\hat{x},\hat{p}]\Psi(x) = i\hbar \Psi(x)$$

But this isn't how it's done in the first image I've embedded in this post where there isn't any kind of "dummy function" involved.

Or perhaps I'm not expanding the brackets properly? This is probably more likely...

Any help much appreciated, thank you.
 
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sa1988 said:
but the working in the above image looks like it only goes as far as

$$aa^{\dagger}$$

This surely isn't the case
I agree with you. The working shown looks wrong, in exactly the way you point out. What is the source of that working?

For the next bit:
taking this part alone:
$$(\omega \hat{x} + \frac{i}{m}\hat{p})^2$$
I'm getting:
$$\omega^2[\hat{x},\hat{x}] + \frac{\omega i}{m}[\hat{x},\hat{p}] + \frac{\omega i}{m}[\hat{p},\hat{x}] - \frac{1}{m}[\hat{p},\hat{p}]$$
That looks wrong to me. I can't see any reason for putting commutators in. There should just be composition of the operators. I get:
$$\omega^2\hat{x}^2 + \frac{\omega i}{m}\hat{x}\hat{p} + \frac{\omega i}{m}\hat{p}\hat{x} - \frac{1}{m}\hat{p}^2$$
which is not necessarily zero.
 
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sa1988 said:
x9dYu1r.png


I'm confused because my understanding is that the commutator should be treated like so:$$[a,a^{\dagger}] = aa^{\dagger} - a^{\dagger}a$$but the working in the above image looks like it only goes as far as$$aa^{\dagger}$$
Huh? Looks ok to me. It's just using linearity properties of the commutator, i.e., $$[A+B \,,\, C] ~=~ [A,C] + [B,C]$$
Secondly, [...]
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The commutator is a derivation, meaning that it satisfies the Leibniz product rule: $$[AB, C] ~=~[A,C]B + A[B,C] ~.$$ You can therefore use the result of the 1st part of your post to make the 2nd part easy. I.e., think of the ##a^2## as a product. With this hint, the solution should be a 1-liner. :wink:
 
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Thanks for the replies.

So I was right in that I simply didn't know enough about commutators, i.e their properties.

Cheers :)
 

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