Mecanism for cutting peat moss bale

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around mechanisms for cutting a peat moss bale on a conveyor system. Participants explore various cutting methods and configurations to effectively open the bale while considering the challenges posed by the plastic wrapping and the need for efficient operation.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests using a moving hydraulic cylinder with a U-shaped frame but is uncertain about the lateral movement of the blade.
  • Another proposes using small conveyors that stop for cutting to avoid interrupting the flow of other bales.
  • A participant mentions the need to cut three bottom sides and one upper side of the bales for effective dumping, questioning if a bandsaw would be suitable.
  • Concerns are raised about the cutting method potentially jamming or pulling the bales around, especially if the offcut remains in place.
  • One participant clarifies that the goal is to open the plastic bag to allow the contents to fall out, suggesting the use of static knives for this purpose.
  • Another participant proposes cutting the bag wide open and using movable vacuum suction cups to pull the bag apart, although doubts about the effectiveness of suction are expressed.
  • There is a discussion about whether the cuts should go all the way through the bale or only be surface cuts to facilitate plastic removal.
  • Concerns are raised that a saw might gum up with heated plastic, leading to tearing rather than cutting, and a simpler solution involving a sharp knife is suggested.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express multiple competing views on the best cutting mechanism and method, with no consensus reached on a definitive solution. There is uncertainty regarding the effectiveness of various proposed methods and their implications for the operation.

Contextual Notes

Participants discuss the challenges related to the plastic wrapping of the bales and the need for a cutting mechanism that accommodates the material's properties, particularly when frozen. The discussion includes various assumptions about the cutting process and the mechanics involved.

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Hi i want to know what kind of mecanism could be used to cut the 3 bottom side of a 135 cubic feet peat moss bale moving on a convoyor. i thinked about a moving down hydraulic cylinder with a Frame in U form, but i don't know how my blade will move from side to side?
Maybe in a groove??

i add a drawing for understanding

thanks to all!
 
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How about put it on a small conveyors that stops for cutting then transfers it on. That won't interrupt the flow of other bales.
 
Well it could be a good idea!, i have to cut 3 buttom side and one upper sides of the bales for a good dumping of the peat moss even in winter time,so do you think bandsaw would be good?

The next step will be to do a height cut on a bale

I add a drawing for real this time lol!


thanks for everything
Dave
 

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I don't quite understand how you want to cut them. Maybe because I have no idea what peat moss is :P The diagram looks like you're talking about cutting the bottom off and leaving the offcut in place? That sounds like asking for the saw to pull the bales around or jam.

In my experience, in sawmills the saws are all making vertical cuts, and the logs are flipped over to cut different sides, then forced through the saws using knurled rollers pressed against them, or by being clamped to a moving carriage.
 
i have to cut the bale and dump the peat moss into a shredder who willl drop the peat moss directelly on the production line. So the best cutting configuration is to cut 3 bottom side,1 vertical side and one upper side. So the bale whatever the season, because the bale freeze in winter, will dump and the plastic will be remove in one piece.

So i can't do like sawmills because of the plastic, i will not be able to remove the plastic on the bale

thanks to you, sorry for my english
 
Now I'm even more confused. I just discovered that peat moss is some kind of topsoil, which I guess would be loose except when frozen, and the bale is a closed plastic bag?

Do you just want to open the bag so the contents can fall out? Can't you do that by passing it over some static knives?
 
yeah it's a compressed top soil, like my drawing i want to cut the bale with band or rotative fixed saw. This way i don't stop many times and don't loose time. i already have a hydraulic mecanism who going to cut the height of the bale with a fixed blade on a frame. The big problem is to remove the bag, i can flip the bale and use the fall to remove the plastic but i can,t target the good mecanism for that


You are making effort to understand my problem, i appreciate it thank,s buddy

dave
 
may i suggest cutting the bag wide open, then using some movable vacuum suction cups to pull the bag apart and release the contents?
 
i think the plastic under the bottom of the 2t bale will stay here even if you use suction
 
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dave4763 said:
i think the plastic under the bottom of the 2t bale will stay here even if you use suction

but he already said that he could flip the bale
 
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Are you talking about making these cuts all the way through the bale of peat moss.
It sounds to me with your 3 cuts on the bottom, one cut vertical, and one cut on top, that you want only surface cuts so the plastic bag can be removed.

By the way, I think a saw would gum up with heated plastic and do more of a rip, pull and tear rather than cut.

It might be that you are over-engineering this, and the simpler solution would be a person with a sharp knife cutting the plastic bag open.
 

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