Mechanics problem -- a mass on a table that can freely move on wheels

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The problem involves a mass on a table that can move freely on wheels, with a focus on static friction and the forces acting on the system when additional masses are introduced. The subject area includes mechanics, specifically dynamics and friction.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to equate forces to find the maximum acceleration of the table but expresses uncertainty about the role of the table's mass. Some participants clarify that the mass of the table is not necessary for the calculations and emphasize the importance of the relationship between the accelerations of the mass and the table.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively discussing the reasoning behind the equations presented, questioning the validity of the original poster's approach and the dimensions of the answers provided. There is no explicit consensus yet, but some guidance has been offered regarding the irrelevance of the table's mass.

Contextual Notes

There are indications of confusion regarding the dimensions of the answers provided, and participants are questioning the assumptions made in the problem setup.

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Homework Statement


A point like body with mass m1 is placed on top of a table, that can freely move on wheels with respect to the ground. There is a static friction coefficient of u=0.3 between the body and the table. If the body is subject to the gravitational acceleration g, what is the maximal horizontal acceleration that the table can have, before the body start moving with respect to it?

Consider now the case of where the body is attached to a horizontal massless and frictionless rope. This rope turns around a frictionless pulley placed at the side of the table, and below it hangs another body with mass m2. Calculate the forces acting on the system in the reference frame of the table. Calculate the maximum acceleration (in the direction opposite to m2) that the table can stand before the masses start to move, neglecting the change in the angle of the string supporting m2.

Homework Equations


The answer of the first part is um1. The answer of the second part is a=(m2-um1)/(m1+m2).

The Attempt at a Solution


I have no idea how to do both parts of the questions. I want to solve the first part first. I attempted to solve the question by equating um1g = mtable atable, because the friction force is equal to the force m1 acting on the table. Without the mass of the table, how can I know its acceleration?
 
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The mass of the table does not matter. When the table accelerates, you are applying whatever force is needed.
If you still think the mass of the table matters, take it to be zero.
 
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You do not need to know the mass of the table. However, you do need that the acceleration of the mass is the same as that of the table and you need to compare that with the maximal possible force that can be provided by the friction.
 
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I see your points, but why is the answer um1 ?
Shouldn't it be um1g=m1a
so a=ug?
 
Clara Chung said:
I see your points, but why is the answer um1 ?
Shouldn't it be um1g=m1a
so a=ug?

Where did you get the answer ##a_{max} = um_1##?

PS The dimensions are wrong, for one thing.

PPS Same for part b). The dimensions are wrong there too.
 
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