Mentor Away: Little or No Internet Access Until Monday

[rewebster]

(halftime break -football)


Evo----you need a MAN!


(I can't imagine there aren't any male volunteers on the PF for you--I just can't imagine it)





one feather may not help--but if you ever found that camera--post a photo of it--a real close close-up (we may be able to see some chiggers on it)

 

[Moonbear]

She needs to find a nice doctor to marry. That way she won't have to keep going to the ER to get patched back up.

So, we should bring dishes as housewarming gifts?

 

[Astronuc]

get some of those thingies that are SUPPOSED to hold heavy shelves of dishes UP as opposed to them breaking and knocking each lower shelf off in a domino effect. I'm wondering just how many pounds crashed down on me that I was able to hold up and lift out while I was bent in a very awkward position (damn I am strong).

WT#?! Are you alright?!?

Are those shelves built in? How on Earth could they collapse? What sloppy carpentry is that?

Did they use cheap (soft wood) dowels or crappy brackets? I'm wondering how those shelves are fastened.

 

[rewebster]

She needs to find a nice doctor to marry. That way she won't have to keep going to the ER to get patched back up.

or, at least an EMT guy*----






*Evo Multi-purpose Thingie guy

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so,

is next weekend the HOUSE WARMING PAR-TEEEE?!

why don't you make it a TOGA party?

toGA! toGA! toGA!

 

[Evo]

Did they use cheap (soft wood) dowels or crappy brackets? I'm wondering how those shelves are fastened.

Little plastic pins that are flat to hold the shelf board up, I'm surprised they managed to support the shelf itself without anything on it.

The clear pin, that's it, and only one on each corner.

 

[Evo]

It might be my wake rew, I just got up from a nap and I can barely move. I'm assuming I just sprained every muscle from my waist to my thighs. I should take someone's suggestion and put web cams around the place so people can watch me have accidents. Evo's accident cam. And we all thought moving here would be safer than the house.

 

[rewebster]

I guess a toga could double as a shroud

 

[turbo]

Man! Those cheesy little pins are crap. What's worse is that they are often inserted into uprights (sides) that are only tied together at top and bottom (typical cheap construction) so that weight on the shelves can allow the uprights to bow, dumping the contents of the shelves. Shelf brackets with screws may be able to stabilize that cabinet, but if that was a cabinet that was supplied as furnishing with the new place, you need to have a talk with the owner/builder.

 

[rewebster]

I had an old oak bookcase from the 1920's or 30's that had them ...but...it was solid oak and those exact type of pins were made of steel. good quality 'old' stuff

 

[Evo]

Man! Those cheesy little pins are crap. What's worse is that they are often inserted into uprights (sides) that are only tied together at top and bottom (typical cheap construction) so that weight on the shelves can allow the uprights to bow, dumping the contents of the shelves. Shelf brackets with screws may be able to stabilize that cabinet, but if that was a cabinet that was supplied as furnishing with the new place, you need to have a talk with the owner/builder.

I don't know who put those pins in, but those are pins for little knick knack shelves, not for dishes. Right now the kitchen floor is covered with all of my dishware. I think I'm going to go to Home Depot and install some real brackets, I value my dishes (and my safety) too much.

 

[Moonbear]

All of my kitchen cabinets have that brown style of bracket in them, and so did my last house. It's pretty common in today's kitchen cabinets. You're not going to find anything of better quality in a rental unit. I've never had them fall down. Then again, I put heavy dinner plates on the bottom shelves, and lighter glasses on the upper shelves. And, they shouldn't just be in the 4 corners. There should be one in front and back center (in the front, it's attached to the piece of wood between the two doors). As turbo pointed out, if they don't have the center brackets, the shelf will start to bow under weight and slip right past the brackets on the corners.

 

[Astronuc]

I wholeheartedly agree with turbo!

I guess one needs to do careful inspection of the place.

I'm not liking those plastic clips, which are inappropriate if those are kitchen cabinets! What are they thinking out there - that all the dishes go under the counter?

Definitely go to Home Depot or equivalent and buy some quality metal clips, brackets or fasteners.

There should be one in front and back center (in the front, it's attached to the piece of wood between the two doors). As turbo pointed out, if they don't have the center brackets, the shelf will start to bow under weight and slip right past the brackets on the corners.

Not necessarily. We had old cabinets with a center post, but the replacement cabinets don't have the center post. If the load is heavy, then it's best to have a metal bracket fastened to the back of the cabinet. The cabinets have metal pins/clips.

 

[turbo]

Moonie has a good point about unsupported spans of shelves allowing bowing if the shelves are long and unsupported at their centers. Another really crappy technique is to allow the use of these little clips inserted into vertical "boards" forming the outer walls of free-standing cabinets and when the weight of the stuff put on those shelves starts to load the vertical walls, the nice heavy shelves and the slippery plastic "supports" conspire to splay the walls of those cabinets and allow the shelves to collapse.

 

[rewebster]

Evo--did you get totally moved yet?


m ove d = d evo m

 

[Astronuc]

Hey did I mention I found a feather that might belong to that hawk?

Picture?

 

[Astronuc]

When my wife and I remodeled the kitchen, we bought modular cabinets with steel pins like the one shown. I would have preferred built in like the ones I removed, but that would have taken a long time, and we really needed a functioning kitchen.

 

[rewebster]

It's hard to tell what the 'shelf' problem was so far---pins? warping shelves? weak sides pushing out? (or too much weight?)---some combination of the above probably


I saw a cabinet 'system' once that had rabbited slots to slide the shelves in, but shelf rigidity is equally important

 

[Evo]

It was cheap plastic pins that weren't made for use for heavy shelves. I noticed that on other shelves that have these pins, a lot are bent and near the point of snapping like these did. I didn't even have much on the shelves yet where the pins broke. All of the pins need to be replaced.

 

[rewebster]

If the 'wall' side of where the pins fit in is even slightly rounded out----you may still have problems even with 'new' pins

 

[rewebster]

If they're particle board shelves, Evo, and use those pins that Turbo is suggesting, you should pilot hole the shelves first for a better connection--

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watch your fingers if you use an electric drill

 

[Evo]

The biting bugs have returned with a vengeance. Apparently they've attacked the Fruit Bat and now he won't come into the bedroom, he just stands in the doorway. I set off a flea bomb yesterday in case it's fleas, but I've never seen flea bites like this.

Red Rum has also offered to come to my aid as you can see in the attached picture of him.

 

[rewebster]

Fleas?-----so...the spider theory/hypothesis is no longer valid?


how many rooms have carpet?

 

[Evo]

Fleas?-----so...the spider theory/hypothesis is no longer valid?

No, I'm just trying everything.

how many rooms have carpet?

Bedroom, living room and hallways, the rest are slate-like tile.

 

[rewebster]

Fleas like carpeting more than hardwood/tile floors---for better elimination of the FLEAS---you may have to bomb the whole place--or else they'll just migrate back in


(----maybe they're ghost spider bites)

 

[Evo]

I sprayed the rest of the carpet with flea spray. I hope whatever man eating insect is attacking will succumb to all the poisons before we do.

 

[rewebster]

I sprayed the rest of the carpet with flea spray. I hope whatever man eating insect is attacking will succumb to all the poisons before we do.

woman eating---WOMAN EATING insects


some insects are gender specific for biting

 

[Evo]

Ooooh, if I get my webcam connected, I can take pictures of the bites!

I'm going to have to toss the poor Fruit Bat into the tub tonight and give him a good scrubdown. Last night was the first night since he was a baby that he hasn't slept with me, I really cannot get him to enter the bedroom anymore. Smart little dog, he's figured out that the bugs are showing up in the middle of the night. Amazingly my cat has not been attacked.

 

[rewebster]

http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/3/32/Fleabite.JPG

 

[Evo]

Is that an allergic reaction to fleabites?

I've had flea bites before and they were nothing more than tiny flat pink pinpoints.

 

[rewebster]

A body regenerates every seven years---how many regenerations have you had since that other time?


(no--not a allergic reaction--just a normal bite reaction for some people--is that what yours look like?)