Metal: no attraction to magnet and block magnetic fields?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around identifying a metal or material that does not attract magnets and also prevents magnetic fields from passing through it. Participants explore concepts of diamagnetism, paramagnetism, and ferromagnetism, while considering practical applications and theoretical implications.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks a material that is not attracted to magnets and does not allow magnetic fields to penetrate it.
  • Another participant suggests that if a material can be repelled by a magnet, it may be possible to use a combination of ferrous and diamagnetic materials to achieve the desired effect.
  • Concerns are raised about the interaction between two magnets when separated by a diamagnetic material, questioning whether they would still attract each other.
  • Some participants mention that blocking a magnetic field will exert a force on the magnet generating that field, referencing examples like levitating magnets above superconductors and aluminum sheets falling between magnet poles.
  • One participant proposes using a spinning conductive disk to prevent magnetic communication between two sides while the disk spins.
  • Another idea involves using reactive armor or a magnetic chameleon that generates current loops to cancel nearby magnetic fields, potentially using a mu-metal sheet as a core.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying opinions on the feasibility of achieving the desired properties in a material. There is no consensus on a specific solution, and multiple competing views remain regarding the effectiveness of different materials and methods.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations in their proposed solutions, including the dependence on specific conditions such as the type of magnetic field (AC vs. DC) and the physical properties of the materials discussed. The discussion remains open-ended with unresolved questions about the interactions between magnetic fields and proposed shielding materials.

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Hi,
Can anyone help me in finding out a Diamagnetic or Paramagnetism or Ferromagnetism or any other metal which has following capabilities:
1- Should not be attractive towards magnet.
2- Should not allow magnetic fields to pass through inside.

Thanks!

THG
 
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tallatghazi said:
Hi,
Can anyone help me in finding out a Diamagnetic or Paramagnetism or Ferromagnetism or any other metal which has following capabilities:
1- Should not be attractive towards magnet.
2- Should not allow magnetic fields to pass through inside.

Thanks!

THG
Welcome to the PF.

You say you don't want it attracted to a magnet -- can it be repelled? Or do you not want any forces on your shield at all?

If it can be repelled, you might be able to enclose with a ferrous shield inside of a diamagnetic shield...
 
Thanks for you reply, yes the material CAN be repelled by magnet (as Diamagnetism) but issue is that material also should have capability of not letting any magnetic fields passing through it self.

Allow me to explain:
I know Pyrolytic Graphite or Bismuth metal repel Magnet but what will happen when 2 magnets being placed side by side (South pole of one magnet facing North pole of other magnet), sandwiching with a normal thickness plate of Pyrolytic Graphite or Bismuth? Does both magnets attract each other?
 
Minor Repelling force or no Force at all both will work.
 
tallatghazi said:
Thanks for you reply, yes the material CAN be repelled by magnet (as Diamagnetism) but issue is that material also should have capability of not letting any magnetic fields passing through it self.

Allow me to explain:
I know Pyrolytic Graphite or Bismuth metal repel Magnet but what will happen when 2 magnets being placed side by side (South pole of one magnet facing North pole of other magnet), sandwiching with a normal thickness plate of Pyrolytic Graphite or Bismuth? Does both magnets attract each other?
Can you say more about the application? It looks like the poles of the 2 magnets will still attract each other...

http://images.tutorvista.com/content/magnetism-matter/diamagnetic-specimen.jpeg
diamagnetic-specimen.jpe
 
If you block a magnetic field then it will push back on the magnet that generates that field.
Consider levitating a magnet above a superconductor, also consider a sheet of aluminium slowly falling between the poles of a magnet.
If it was an AC magnetic field you could use a sheet of aluminium or copper thicker than about twice the skin depth.
 

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Baluncore said:
If you block a magnetic field then it will push back on the magnet that generates that field.
Consider levitating a magnet above a superconductor, also consider a sheet of aluminium slowly falling between the poles of a magnet.
If it was an AC magnetic field you could use a sheet of aluminium or copper thicker than about twice the skin depth.

My concern is that I need to find a material which repels or show no force to magnetic fields + also magnetic fields of both magnets should NOT interact with each other.
Regarding super conductor, it also not work. Check this video
 
Well, if you are going to deflect or guide a magnetic field, that will cause some forces. Can you say more about the application? There may be some other solution.
 
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There are a couple of dynamic tricks you could consider.

1. A spinning conductive disk will drag the flux along with the disk and prevent magnetic communication between the sides while the disk spins. For two magnets you might consider a two sided disk with an insulator between.

2. Reactive armour, or a magnetic chameleon. By measuring the magnetic field over the surfaces you could generate current loops to zero that field. Maybe something like that will cancel your nearby magnet and render the screen invisible to the magnet. It might need two layers of loops with a mu-metal sheet as the core.
 
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