Metastable 1s2s3p Excited State of Helium: Explanation

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The discussion centers on the metastable 1s2s3p excited state of helium, exploring the reasons behind its metastability, the nature of transitions between energy levels, and the implications of quantum mechanics on these processes.

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  • One participant notes that metastable states in helium are determined by the behavior of electrons, which can transition from a higher stable energy level to a metastable level before returning to the ground state, with the transition rates influenced by quantum mechanics.
  • Another participant explains that some states are metastable due to "forbidden" transitions that do not comply with quantum mechanical rules, requiring external interactions to trigger transitions.
  • A later reply reiterates the concept of forbidden transitions and introduces the idea of symmetry arguments, questioning what symmetry breaking mechanisms might allow for these transitions in the presence of other atoms.
  • Further elaboration is provided on the nature of allowed transitions, suggesting that even if dipole transitions are forbidden, there may still be some allowed spin coupling.

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Participants express multiple competing views regarding the nature of metastable states and the mechanisms behind transitions, indicating that the discussion remains unresolved.

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Participants mention the dependence of transition behavior on electronic configurations and the influence of external interactions, but do not resolve the implications of these factors on the metastability of the excited state.

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Could someone please explain why the 1s2s3p excited state of helium is metastable.

Thanks:).
 
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Generally, metastable states (i assume you know it's definition) are determined by the electrons of the He gas. In the case of a Helium gas, electrons can be excited from the ground level E to a higher level E' which is stable. Now, once they are there, the electrons can make fast radiationless transitions to an energy level E'' which lies a bit beneath E'. From E'', the electrons fall down to the ground level E. The E'' is the metastable energylevel because the electrons don't stay there long. The transition from E' to E'' goes fast, the transition from E'' towards E takes much longer.

The reason of this transition behaviour is explained using QM (Fermi's Golden Rule, which calculates transitions rates) and depends on the electronic configuration of the He atoms making up the gas.


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Some states are metastable typically because the transition from that state to the ground state manifold is a "forbidden" transition as it does not satisfy the transition Rules of Quantum Mechanics. Some other mechanism must occur to trigger an optical transition such as a collision with another atom, or an incoming photon to trigger stimulated emission.

Claude.
 
Claude Bile said:
Some states are metastable typically because the transition from that state to the ground state manifold is a "forbidden" transition as it does not satisfy the transition Rules of Quantum Mechanics. Some other mechanism must occur to trigger an optical transition such as a collision with another atom, or an incoming photon to trigger stimulated emission.

Claude.

The way I was taught about those "forbidden transitions" was in terms of symmetry arguments. What symmetry breaking mechanism is at work with collision-allowed "forbidden transitions"?
 
Einstein Mcfly said:
The way I was taught about those "forbidden transitions" was in terms of symmetry arguments. What symmetry breaking mechanism is at work with collision-allowed "forbidden transitions"?

keep in mind that your analytic solution (or symmetry arguments, in this case) applies to a single molecule in vacuum. as soon as you start coupling your vacuum system to some other molecules then your eigenstate may be very different.

also, for what are the transitions "allowed"? dipole allowed? spin allowed? just because the dipole transition is forbidden, doesn't mean that there isn't a small amount of spin coupling allowed.
 

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