Adiabatic expansion of argon gas

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The discussion revolves around the adiabatic expansion of argon gas in a turbine, focusing on the relationship between pressure, volume, and temperature during the expansion process. The original poster presents a scenario involving specific conditions of the gas and seeks to determine the exit temperature after expansion.

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  • The original poster attempts to derive a relationship between pressure and temperature using the equations PV^(gamma)=constant and TV^(gamma-1)=constant, expressing uncertainty about the derivation process. Some participants suggest substituting variables from the ideal gas law to facilitate this derivation.

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Participants are actively engaging with the original poster's approach, providing guidance on how to manipulate the equations. There is a recognition of the need to clarify the conditions under which the pressures are defined, and multiple interpretations of the equations are being explored without reaching a consensus.

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There is mention of potential confusion regarding whether the pressures discussed are absolute, which may affect the calculations. The original poster has indicated they have a specific answer in mind, but the discussion remains focused on the derivation and understanding of the relevant equations.

Erik Horwath
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argon enters a turbine at a rate of 800 kg/min, a temp of 800C and a pressure of 1.5MPa. It expands adiabatically as it pushes on the turbine blades and exits at a pressure 300KPa. Calculate its temperature at exit.

The equations I am working with are PV^(gamma)=constant and TV^(gamma-1)=constant. In this case gamma=1.67. If I could figure out how the second of these equations was derived from the first (I'm assuming it involves PV=nRT) I have a feeling I could solve the problem by deriving a similar expression involving P and T but I not sure how and my brain is tired.

Help would be appreciated. By the way I have the answer - it is 564K.
 
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You have the right idea. Start with the first equation, PV^(gamma)=constant. Then pick the variable you would like to eliminate. To eliminate P, substitute P = nRT/V (from the ideal gas law). Just plug it in and you'll see that it equals your second equation, TV^(gamma-1)=constant. (The constants will be different of course, but that doesn't matter.) Try it!

Then to find the equation you need to solve your problem, eliminate V in the same manner.
 
Your answer is ok if the above said pressures are absolute, otherwise it would differ.
 
Doc Al said:
You have the right idea. Start with the first equation, PV^(gamma)=constant. Then pick the variable you would like to eliminate. To eliminate P, substitute P = nRT/V (from the ideal gas law). Just plug it in and you'll see that it equals your second equation, TV^(gamma-1)=constant. (The constants will be different of course, but that doesn't matter.) Try it!

Then to find the equation you need to solve your problem, eliminate V in the same manner.

So that would mean P^(1-gamma)T^(gamma)=constant? Thanks for your help.
 
Erik Horwath said:
So that would mean P^(1-gamma)T^(gamma)=constant?
Exactly right.
 

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