Metric of a globally negatively curved space

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The discussion revolves around a problem related to the metric of a globally negatively curved space, specifically focusing on a 2D negatively curved surface described in 3D Euclidean Cartesian coordinates. The original poster mentions completing the first three parts of the problem but struggles with the fourth part, which involves finding the expression for the metric under a transformation to polar coordinates.

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Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to derive the line element and metric coefficients, as well as the transformation matrix from Cartesian to polar coordinates. They express confusion about how to perform the transformation for the metric.
  • Some participants question the validity of the equation provided for the negatively curved surface, suggesting it may represent the empty set under certain conditions.
  • Others suggest that if the parameter is treated as imaginary, it could represent a sphere, while one participant proposes that the correct representation might be a one-sheet hyperboloid.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different interpretations of the original equation and its implications for the problem. Guidance has been requested by the original poster, indicating a need for clarification on the transformation process.

Contextual Notes

There is a noted ambiguity regarding the equation for the negatively curved surface, with participants discussing the implications of treating the parameter as real or imaginary. This uncertainty may affect the understanding of the problem setup.

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Homework Statement



I think I have managed to do the first three parts of this problem ok, but I am struggling with part 4.
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A 2D negatively curved surface can be described in 3D Euclidean Cartesian coordinates by the equation:

##x^2 + y^2 + z^2 = −a^2##.​

1) Find the 2D line element for points in the 2D space (x,y):

##dl^2 = h_{ij}dx^i dx^j##​

2) Find the metric coefficients for the line element.

3) Write down the transformation of the Cartesian coordinates to polar coordinates, and compute the transformation matrix:

##\frac{\partial x^{' a}}{\partial x^{b}}## , with ##x^{'a} = (x, y)## and ##x^a = (\rho, \phi)##.​

4) Find the expression for the metric under the transformation to polar coordinates.

5) Explain two advantages of this transformation

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1) In Euclidean 3-space we have ##ds^2 = dx^2 + dy^2 + dz^2##. Using the surface as a constraint equation and differentiating the line element:

##2x dx + 2y dy + 2z dz = 0##

Solving for ##dz##, ##dz = \frac{- x dx - y dy}{z} = \frac{- x dx - y dy}{\sqrt{- a^2 - x^2 - y^2}}##

and so ##ds^2 = dx^2 + dy^2 - \frac{(x dx + y dy)^2}{a^2 + x^2 + y^2}##

2) Multiplying this out and reading off the coefficients

##h_{xx} = 1 - \frac{x^2}{a^2 + x^2 + y^2}##

##h_{yx} = h_{xy} = - \frac{xy}{a^2 + x^2 + y^2}##

##h_{yy} = 1 - \frac{y^2}{a^2 + x^2 + y^2}##

3) ##x = \rho \cos \phi##, ##y = \rho \sin \phi##

##X^{'a} = (x, y)##, ##X^a = (\rho, \phi)##

##\begin{pmatrix}
\frac{\partial X^{'1}}{\partial X^1} & \frac{\partial X^{'1}}{\partial X^2} \\ \frac{\partial X^{'2}}{\partial X^1} & \frac{\partial X^{'2}}{\partial X^2}
\end{pmatrix} =
\begin{pmatrix}
\frac{\partial x}{\partial \rho} & \frac{\partial x}{\partial \phi} \\ \frac{\partial y}{\partial \rho} & \frac{\partial y}{\partial \phi}
\end{pmatrix} =
\begin{pmatrix}
\cos \phi & - \rho \sin \phi \\ \sin \phi & \rho \cos \phi
\end{pmatrix}
##

4) This is where I am having troubles. I am confused about how this all fits together to actually perform this transformation.

Some guidance would be really appreciated!

Thanks in advance!
 
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BOAS said:
A 2D negatively curved surface can be described in 3D Euclidean Cartesian coordinates by the equation:

x^2 + y^2 + z^2 = −a^2.
Is this correctly quoted? That looks like the empty set to me.
 
Orodruin said:
Is this correctly quoted? That looks like the empty set to me.

It is correctly quoted
 
Well, then it is wrong. The set ##x^2 + y^2 + z^2 = -a^2## is the empty set (assuming ##a## is real, if it is imaginary it is just a sphere).
 
Orodruin said:
Well, then it is wrong. The set ##x^2 + y^2 + z^2 = -a^2## is the empty set (assuming ##a## is real, if it is imaginary it is just a sphere).

Ah, you're right. When dealing with negatively curved spaces we do say ##a \rightarrow ia##
 
Then it is a sphere.
 
What you are probably looking for is the one-sheet hyperboloid ##x^2 + y^2 - z^2 = a^2##.
 

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