Metric of a Moving 3D Hypersurface along the 4th Dimension

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The discussion revolves around the concept of a five-dimensional flat spacetime and the dynamics of a three-dimensional hypersurface moving along the fourth dimension. Participants explore the implications of defining such a hypersurface and the associated metric, questioning the mathematical and physical validity of the scenario.

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  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes a metric for a three-dimensional hypersurface moving with a constant rate along the fourth dimension in a five-dimensional spacetime.
  • Another participant expresses confusion, comparing the scenario to a simpler case of a plane moving along an axis, questioning the origin of the question.
  • A different participant suggests that the idea could make sense if framed as a coordinate transformation.
  • One participant argues that mathematical surfaces do not move in reality and emphasizes the need for physical laws and quantities to describe dynamics accurately.
  • Another participant notes that the dynamics of a defined mathematical surface can be arbitrary and depend on personal rules not shared in the discussion.
  • A later reply suggests that the original definition of the fourth dimension may not represent an extra dimension but rather a scaled time dimension, which could simplify the metric inquiry.
  • One participant proposes that clarifying the question to focus on a hyperplane parallel to the xyz hyperplane might alleviate confusion.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the validity and clarity of the original question, with no consensus on how to approach the metric or the nature of the hypersurface. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the mathematical and physical implications of the proposed scenario.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations in the original question, including the lack of specified physical laws and the ambiguity surrounding the definition of the fourth dimension.

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Consider a hypothetical five dimensional flat spacetime ##\mathbb{R}^5## with coordinates ##x, y, z, w, t##.

Now imagine that the hypersurface ##\Sigma =\mathbb{R}^3## of ##x, y, z## moves with constant rate ##r## along the coordinate ##w##, i.e. ##dw/dt=r##. Assuming that ##t \in (-\infty, + \infty)## what is the metric that describes such an evolution or dynamics of the three dimensional hypersurface in the five dimensional spacetime?
 
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This doesn't make any sense to me. It's like asking what happens if the x-y plane moves long the z-axis over time.

Where did you get this question?
 
Yes, that's the idea in the x-y case. How can we write a metric for it?

I didn't get it from anywhere. Imagined and created it.

So you say that this makes absolutely no sense even in mathematics let alone physics?
 
victorvmotti said:
I didn't get it from anywhere. Imagined and created it.
i thought so.
victorvmotti said:
So you say that this makes absolutely no sense even in mathematics let alone physics?
It would make sense if you specified it as a coordinate transformation.
 
The point is that mathematical surfaces don't move because they don't exist outside mathematical models. You can define a mathematical surface and have a definition that varies with time (or whatever), but the dynamics of that are more or less whatever you want.

If you actually want to know about the dynamics of a physical sheet then you need to specify physical laws and appropriate quantities like mass density etc. Or if you want to know about some foliation of the spacetime itself (c.f. ADM formalism) you need to specify how you are doing the foliation.
 
My question is given that mathematical surface or model defined or imagined how can we write a metric that describes such a dynamic? Have no clue at all!
 
It's literally your choice. Imaginary surfaces abide by rules you personally have set, and which you haven't shared with us.

Perhaps instead of asking strange abstract questions you should talk about what physics you are trying to understand.
 
It looks like I have the answer myself. Given this definition of ##w## dimension it is not actually an extra dimension. Instead it is some scaled time dimension and drops from the five dimensional metric that I was looking for.
 
Perhaps it would clear the confusion if you instead had asked about a 3d hyperplane parallel to the xyz hyperplane that moves in the w axis
 

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