Metric Tensor on a Mobius Strip?

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The discussion revolves around the calculation of an induced metric tensor on a Mobius strip using a parametric equation provided by Spivak in his work on differential geometry. Participants explore the process of deriving the Jacobian and subsequently the metric tensor, sharing their experiences and challenges in the computations.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a parametric equation for a Mobius strip and attempts to define an induced metric tensor, providing the Jacobian and the resulting metric tensor.
  • Another participant suggests verifying the calculations using Wolfram Alpha, indicating that the formulas provided are correct and any errors would likely be in the computations.
  • A participant expresses uncertainty about the correctness of their process, noting their newness to differential geometry and their intention to continue exploring the subject.
  • There is a light-hearted exchange about the use of resources like trigonometric identities during the calculations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the validity of the parametric equation and the method of calculating the metric tensor, but there is no consensus on the correctness of the final metric tensor due to the complexity of the computations involved.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention the potential for errors in the computations without resolving specific mathematical steps or assumptions made during the derivation of the metric tensor.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be useful for individuals interested in differential geometry, particularly those exploring the geometry of non-orientable surfaces like the Mobius strip.

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I was bored, so I tried to do something to occupy myself. I started going through withdrawal, so I finally just gave in and tried to do some math. Three months of no school is going to be painful. I think I have problems. MATH problems. :-p

Atrocious comedy aside, Spivak provides a parametric equation for a Mobius strip on page 10 of A Comprehensive Introduction to Differential Geometry (Vol. 1, 3rd Edition):

$$f(t,\theta)=\left(\cos\theta\left(2+t\cos\frac{\theta}{2}\right), \, \sin\theta\left(2+t\sin\frac{\theta}{2}\right), \, t\sin\frac{\theta}{2}\right)$$

I decided to try defining an induced metric tensor on the Mobius strip. I found the Jacobian,

$$\mathfrak{J}=\begin{bmatrix} \cos\frac{\theta}{2}\cos\theta & -2\sin\theta-t\left(\sin\theta\cos\frac{\theta}{2}+\frac{1}{2}\cos\theta\sin \frac{\theta}{2}\right) \\ \sin\frac{\theta}{2}\sin{\theta} & 2\cos{\theta}+t\left(\cos\theta\sin\frac{\theta}{2}+\frac{1}{2}\sin \theta\cos\frac{\theta}{2}\right) \\ \sin\frac{\theta}{2} & \frac{t}{2}\cos\frac{\theta}{2}\end{bmatrix}$$

I then multiply the transpose of the Jacobian by the Jacobian. So, with much simplification, I get that the metric tensor would be

$$\mathfrak{g}=\begin{bmatrix}1-\frac{1}{4}\cos(\theta)+\frac{1}{4}\cos{3\theta} & \sin{2\theta}\left(\sin{\frac{\theta}{2}}-\cos{\frac{\theta}{2}}+t\left(\frac{\sin^2{\frac{\theta}{2}}}{2}-\frac{3\cos{\theta}}{8}-\frac{1}{4}\right)\right)+\frac{t}{4}\sin^3{\theta} \\ \sin{2\theta}\left(\sin{\frac{\theta}{2}}-\cos{\frac{\theta}{2}}+t\left(\frac{\sin^2{\frac{\theta}{2}}}{2}-\frac{3\cos{\theta}}{8}-\frac{1}{4}\right)\right)+\frac{t}{4}\sin^3{\theta} & \left(\frac{t^2}{16}\cos{\theta}-\frac{9t^2}{16}\cos{3\theta}+\frac{3 t^2}{4}+2 t \sin{\frac{\theta}{2}}-\frac{t}{2}\sin{\frac{3\theta}{2}}+\frac{3t}{2}\sin{\frac{5\theta}{2}}+2 t\cos{\frac{\theta}{2}}-\frac{t}{2}\cos{\frac{3\theta}{2}}-\frac{3t}{2}\cos{\frac{5\theta}{2}}+4\right)\end{bmatrix}$$

which is ugly. Is this right?
 
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Jesus Christ man! Well I'm stuck at home for 3 months without school as well so I feel your pain. Did you do this by hand? If so you can just check using wolfram alpha to see if your answer is correct because your formulas (and Spivak's parametric equation) are fine so if anything went wrong it would be in the computations.

If you're bored and want to tackle a new math subject then hit me up. I'm bored too and would love to learn some new math.
 
WannabeNewton said:
Jesus Christ man! Well I'm stuck at home for 3 months without school as well so I feel your pain. Did you do this by hand? If so you can just check using wolfram alpha to see if your answer is correct because your formulas (and Spivak's parametric equation) are fine so if anything went wrong it would be in the computations.

If you're bored and want to tackle a new math subject then hit me up. I'm bored too and would love to learn some new math.
I didn't do it all by hand, since I cheated and had a list of trig identities open on my browser. :frown:

Thanks, though. I wasn't sure if I was doing the process right. I'm new to Differential Geometry, so I intend to keep doing silly things like this until I get comfortable, after which I can start doing more serious stuff. :-p
 
CHEATER! Lol jk. But yes you can very well calculate the Jacobian and left multiply by its transpose to get the metric tensor when you have a parametrization given. I must say if you have the endurance to do computations like that, you must be something other than human :)
 

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