Microscope Theory - Alternatives to the use of light?

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The discussion revolves around the use of alternative wavelengths, such as UV light and gamma rays, in microscopy. The original poster seeks to understand why these alternatives cannot be effectively utilized in place of visible light or electrons for observing small objects.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

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  • Participants explore the limitations of UV light and gamma rays in microscopy, questioning their ability to penetrate glass and the challenges associated with focusing these wavelengths. The original poster attempts to clarify the reasons behind the preference for electrons over these alternatives.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing insights into the properties of different wavelengths and their implications for microscopy. Some guidance has been offered regarding the use of reflective optics for UV light and the challenges of using gamma rays and X-rays, but no consensus has been reached on a definitive explanation.

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There are constraints regarding the understanding of how different wavelengths interact with materials, particularly glass, and the potential hazards associated with using high-energy radiation like gamma rays. The original poster is working within the framework of a high school project, which may limit the depth of exploration.

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Microscope Theory - Alternatives to the use of visible light?

Hey guys. I've been googling for ages but I've had no luck with this so I thought you guys could help me figure this out.

Why can't UV light or gamma rays be used to observe objects in microscopy?
I know the main idea behind the use of electron microscopes is that electrons can behave as waves with much smaller wavelengths than light can, thus allowing us to observe smaller objects. However, why can't UV light or Gamma Rays (X rays cannot be focused) be used instead of visible light or electrons to observe objects? They have a smaller wavelength than visible light and will therefore result in improved magnification.

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I've checked my textbook but it fails to address gamma rays and UV light is only mentioned to be difficult to work with. Are gamma rays too hazardous to use? As for UV rays, I really have no idea why specifically they're difficult to use in this context.

Thanks for reading, and I hope what I'm asking is relatively clear.
 
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Near UV is not a problem. But at wavelengths below around 250 nm, glass becomes opaque, so reflective optics (i.e. curved mirrors) must be used instead of lenses.

At even shorter wavelengths (x-rays, gamma rays), waves are not refracted strongly even though they can pass through objects, so there are no suitable lens materials at those wavelengths.

x-rays can be imaged using grazing-incidence mirrors, and in fact x-ray microsopes have been built:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X-ray_microscope

p.s. Welcome to Physics Forums.
 
Redbelly98 said:
Near UV is not a problem. But at wavelengths below around 250 nm, glass becomes opaque, so reflective optics (i.e. curved mirrors) must be used instead of lenses.

At even shorter wavelengths (x-rays, gamma rays), waves are not refracted strongly even though they can pass through objects, so there are no suitable lens materials at those wavelengths.

x-rays can be imaged using grazing-incidence mirrors, and in fact x-ray microsopes have been built:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X-ray_microscope

p.s. Welcome to Physics Forums.
Hey thanks for the speedy welcome.

I'm just a little confused about when you say glass becomes opaque... does that mean once photons have a wavelength of below around 250nm they do not penetrate glass? This is just for a high school project and I just need to give brief reasoning why electrons are chosen over UV light, X rays and Gamma rays.

So far I have:
Gamma rays: High energies can possibly alter and destroy the samples they are observing, cannot be focused.
UV light: Cannot penetrate glass (?), therefore curved mirrors must be used instead of lenses which is difficult to work with
X rays: Similar to UV light, cannot be focused very easily

It's not very detailed and I think I may need to go into a tad more detail. Thanks tiny-tim for the link to that thread, it covered gamma rays quite nicely.
 
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mohammed_a said:
Hey thanks for the speedy welcome.

I'm just a little confused about when you say glass becomes opaque... does that mean once photons have a wavelength of below around 250nm they do not penetrate glass?

Yes. Glass does not transmit electromagnetic waves below a certain wavelength. After googling, I've found it can be as low as 170-180 nm if the glass is made especially for uv transmission:


http://www.glassdynamicsllc.com/images/material-S1-UV-transmission.gif
Transmission of uv grade fused silica glass
from http://www.glassdynamicsllc.com/SI-UV Material Data Sheet.htm


A less expense glass, such as "BK7 glass", does not transmit below 300 nm:
http://www.glassdynamicsllc.com/BK7%20Material%20Data%20Sheet_files/image002.jpg
from http://www.glassdynamicsllc.com/BK7 Material Data Sheet.htm
 
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Redbelly98 said:
Yes. Glass does not transmit electromagnetic waves below a certain wavelength. After googling, I've found it can be as low as 170-180 nm if the glass is made especially for uv transmission:


http://www.glassdynamicsllc.com/images/material-S1-UV-transmission.gif
Transmission of uv grade fused silica glass
from http://www.glassdynamicsllc.com/SI-UV Material Data Sheet.htm


A less expense glass, such as "BK7 glass", does not transmit below 300 nm:
http://www.glassdynamicsllc.com/BK7%20Material%20Data%20Sheet_files/image002.jpg
from http://www.glassdynamicsllc.com/BK7 Material Data Sheet.htm
Oh, ok that makes sense. That's a great pic, thanks for explaining it so well.
 
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