How Does the Midnight Sun Occur in the Arctic Region?

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The discussion centers on the phenomenon of the Midnight Sun in the Arctic region, exploring the reasons behind its occurrence and the implications of Earth's axial tilt and rotation. Participants delve into the physics of how the sun appears to move in the sky during this phenomenon, considering both theoretical and observational aspects.

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  • One participant asks for an explanation of the Midnight Sun and its feasibility on a globe.
  • Another participant suggests that the Midnight Sun occurs due to Earth's axial tilt relative to the sun's position.
  • A different viewpoint proposes a hypothetical scenario where Earth's axis points directly at the sun, illustrating how this would affect the sun's position at the North Pole.
  • Several participants question the apparent motion of the sun during the Midnight Sun, specifically why it appears to move continuously to the right in video footage, despite the Earth's rotation.
  • One participant uses the analogy of a spinning merry-go-round to explain the perceived motion of the sun, suggesting that keeping a camera focused on a stationary light source would require continuous adjustment.
  • Another participant notes that most merry-go-rounds are not angled, referencing a specific video that shows the horizon's movement in relation to the ecliptic plane in the Arctic.

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Participants express differing views on the mechanics of the Midnight Sun and the perceived motion of the sun, indicating that the discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing explanations and interpretations.

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Some assumptions about the Earth's axial tilt and the nature of rotational motion are not explicitly stated, and the discussion includes varying interpretations of observational phenomena.

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can anyone explain the Midnight Sun occurring in Arctic region. Why it happens and is it possible on a globe?
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It happens because the axis of rotation of the Earth is at an angle (other than 0 or 90 degrees) with respect to the position of the light source.
 
Suppose the Earth's axis of rotation pointed at the sun (Uranus is actually close to this). Do you see then that if you were on the north pole that the sun would be straight overhead and would not move as the Earth rotated? If not, try getting a globe and pointing it at a light bulb. Then tilt the axis away from the light bulb, but still pointed near the sun. Then the sun will describe larger and larger circles around the zenith (the point straight up). This is the situation for the Earth.
 
My question is on the physics of this observation. If the Earth is spinning, why doesn't the sun simply move to the right, then stop and move left, then right, and so on? The footage of the midnight sun shows the camera continuously panning to the right to keep the sun in view. How is that possible? As the globe spins, pretend you start at 3 o'clock and are moving counterclockwise...as u spin towards the 12 o'clock position, the sun arcs and moves right from our perspective, and continues this path until we approach the 9 o'clock position. It's at this point, as we begin to move from 9 o'clock, towards 6 o'clock and back to the starting 3 o'clock positions that the sun would appear to move left...not in a continuous line to the right only.
 
CuriousGuyDFW001 said:
My question is on the physics of this observation. If the Earth is spinning, why doesn't the sun simply move to the right, then stop and move left, then right, and so on? The footage of the midnight sun shows the camera continuously panning to the right to keep the sun in view. How is that possible? As the globe spins, pretend you start at 3 o'clock and are moving counterclockwise...as u spin towards the 12 o'clock position, the sun arcs and moves right from our perspective, and continues this path until we approach the 9 o'clock position. It's at this point, as we begin to move from 9 o'clock, towards 6 o'clock and back to the starting 3 o'clock positions that the sun would appear to move left...not in a continuous line to the right only.

I don't understand your confusion. Suppose you are standing on a spinning merry-go-round and there is a street light on your left. The merry-go-round is spinning counter-clockwise viewed from above. The street light will move from being on your left to being in front of you to being on your right to passing behind you until it is on your left again. But if you keep panning a camera to keep the street light in the view finder, you will keep turning to your right at a constant rate forever. Where is the discrepancy? If you don't believe it go down to the playground and try it.
 
phyzguy said:
...standing on a spinning merry-go-round and there is a street light on your left... If you don't believe it go down to the playground and try it.

Most merrygorounds are not angled. This video has the view from a saddle spinner at 2:00. You can see the horizon go up and down similar to the ecliptic plane in the arctic.
 
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