Miller's Indices: Find in FCC & BCC, Calculate Density of Lattice Points

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The discussion revolves around determining Miller's indices for specific planes in face-centered cubic (FCC) and body-centered cubic (BCC) lattices, as well as calculating the density of lattice points in these structures. The scope includes theoretical aspects of crystallography and mathematical reasoning related to lattice structures.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant asks how to determine the Miller's indices of the (2 1 1) plane in FCC and BCC lattices, and how to find the density of lattice points.
  • Another participant suggests that the density of lattice points is related to the volume per lattice point, indicating there is one lattice point per unit cell.
  • A participant questions how to define density in the context of planes, proposing that it might be the area density of lattice points on the specified plane.
  • Some participants highlight the ambiguity in the term "density of lattice points," suggesting it could refer to either volumetric density or area density.
  • There is a discussion about how to compute density for a specific plane, with suggestions to count the points contained in the plane and divide by the area of the plane.
  • One participant raises the issue of defining the plane, noting that there are families of parallel planes and that some planes may contain no lattice points.
  • Another participant emphasizes that only planes containing atoms are of interest, linking area density within the plane to volume density.

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Participants express differing views on how to define and calculate the density of lattice points, with no consensus reached on the specific methodology or definitions to be used.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes unresolved questions about the definitions of density in different contexts (volumetric vs. area density) and the implications of lattice point distribution in various planes.

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Hello, there. I'm having a small problem with Miller's indices.

1) Imagine that the plane (2 1 1) is given in the fcc lattice. How can I determine Miller's indices of that plane in the sc and in the bcc?

2) And after that, how can I find the density of lattice's points?
1) So far I took the vectors of the reciprocal space:

a*, b* and c* and then I tried to compute the vector G=n1a* + n2b* + n3c*

But then what?2) The only thing that I know is that the density of lattice's points is proportional of the quantity 1/G

Any help?
 
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prochatz said:
How can I find the density of lattice's points?

Consider that there is one lattice point per unit cell. So there is one lattice point per volume of a unit cell.

Then what is the volume per lattice point? This is the density of lattice points.
 
bpsbps said:
Consider that there is one lattice point per unit cell. So there is one lattice point per volume of a unit cell.

Then what is the volume per lattice point? This is the density of lattice points.

Yes, but here we have planes. What should I suppose? Is density 1/(area of plane)?
 
The question is ambiguous.

It can mean what is the "density of lattice points" (units cm^-3)or "area density of lattice points on the [211] planes" (units cm^-2).
 
bpsbps said:
The question is ambiguous.

It can mean what is the "density of lattice points" (units cm^-3)or "area density of lattice points on the [211] planes" (units cm^-2).

The second explanation seems better. So if we have a specific plane, suppose in the fcc, how should I compute density? Should I count the points "contained" in the specific plane and then divide by the area of plane?
 
How do you define the plane? There is a family of planes that are parallel to each other. I can draw a [001] plane in a SC lattice that contains no lattice points.
 
bpsbps said:
How do you define the plane? There is a family of planes that are parallel to each other. I can draw a [001] plane in a SC lattice that contains no lattice points.

I see, but there must be an answer. Something goes wrong. Is there any definition about the density of lattice's points?
 
prochatz said:
The second explanation seems better. So if we have a specific plane, suppose in the fcc, how should I compute density? Should I count the points "contained" in the specific plane and then divide by the area of plane?
Think of the plane as a two-dimensional lattice. The atoms in the plane will form a periodic lattice of parallelograms (or squares or rectangles). Since there is one atom per unit cell in this 2-D lattice, the density will be the reciprocal of the area of a parallelogram. (The area is equal to the magnitude of the cross product of the vectors for two adjacent sides of a parallelogram)
bpsbps said:
How do you define the plane? There is a family of planes that are parallel to each other. I can draw a [001] plane in a SC lattice that contains no lattice points.

The only planes that are of any interest whatsoever are the ones containing atoms. These planes are separated by a distance of (area density within plane)/(volume density).
 

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