Minimize the sum of the squares

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The problem involves finding the minimum value of the sum of the squares of two positive numbers whose sum is a given value, n. The context is calculus, specifically dealing with derivatives and optimization.

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  • The original poster attempts to apply calculus by taking the derivative of the sum of squares function. Some participants discuss the implications of the derivative, questioning the conditions for minimum values and whether to express answers in terms of variables or specific numbers.

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Participants are exploring the calculus involved in the problem, with some providing guidance on the derivative and its significance. There is an acknowledgment of the need to express the final answer in terms of the variable n, and the discussion is focused on understanding the behavior of the function based on the derivative.

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The problem is set in a first-year university calculus context, and there is a focus on ensuring clarity regarding the use of derivatives and the nature of the solution.

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Hello
i need help with a question, other people tried to help me, i just cannot get it! its driving me crazy

Two positive numbers have sum n. What is the smallest value possible for the sum of their squares?

so i have n=x+y
x>0 y>0

y=n-x

we want to minimize S S=x^2+y^2
S=x^2+(n-x)^2
S'=2x-2(n-x)
S'=2x-2n+2x
S'=4x-2n

now ? The above is what I have been shown to do... the red part doesn't make much sense to me... Can someone please help me to continue on...
 
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What class is this problem in? If it is a calculus problem, then you should know how to take the derivative of x^2 and (n-x)^2 (using the chain rule for the latter). Since the derivative measrures how fast a function is increasing, if S' is positive, for a specific x, the function is increasing- choosing x smaller will make S smaller so that value is not the minimum. If S' is negative, the function is decreasing- choosing x larger will make S smaller so that value is not the minimum. The minimum must occur where the derivative S' is 0. S'= 4x- 2n= 0 give 4x= 2n or x= n/2. Then y= n- n/2= n/2. The minimum occurs when x= y= n/2. The smallest possible value of x^2+ y^2 is n^2/4+ n^2/4= n^2/2.

If this is NOT for a calculus class and you do not know how to take the derivative, you can still do the problem by completing the square:
S= x^2+ (n-x)^2= x^2+ n^2- 2nx+ x^2= 2x^2- 2nx+ n^2= 2(x^2- nx)+ n^2. We complete the square by adding (and subtracting) (-n/2)^2= n^2/4. 2(x^2- nx+ n^2/4- n^2/4)+ n^2= 2(x^2- nx+ n^2/4)- n^2/2+ n^2= 2(x- n/2)^2+ n^2/2. Since a square is never negative, S is n^2/2 plus something unless x= n/2 in which case it is n^2/2+ 0= n^2/2.
 
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Hi

So this problem is for first year university calculus.

I got confused about the derivative... i do know how to do derivates... too much calculus in one day i guess.

So from the steps shown, I followed them and they seem pretty clear.
So do I not calculate an actual number then... just leave answers with variables?
Thanks again for the help :smile:
 
So do I not calculate an actual number then... just leave answers with variables?
n is the only variable.The answer should be in terms of n :smile:
 
star321 said:
we want to minimize S S=x^2+y^2
S=x^2+(n-x)^2
S'=2x-2(n-x)
S'=2x-2n+2x
S'=4x-2n
Yes, this is good. :)
Ok, you should notice that 0 <= x <= n, right?
If the derivative of a function at some point, say x0, is positive, then the function is increasing at that point. Otherwise, if it's negative, then the function is decreasing.
So for 0 <= x < n / 2, S' < 0, right? So the function S is decreasing in that interval.
For n / 2 < x < n, S' > 0, the function S is increasing.
So for x = n / 2, S takes the smallest value. Can you find that value?
Is everything clear now? :)
 

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