Minimizing Volume with given equations and certain points. Calculus 32A

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The problem involves finding a plane defined by the equation xa + yb + zc = 1, which forms a tetrahedron with the positive coordinate planes, and minimizing the volume V = 16abc under the constraint that the plane passes through the point P = (8, 2, 3). The discussion centers around the relationships between the coefficients a, b, and c, as well as the correct representation of the plane's equation.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss the use of Lagrange multipliers and the relationships derived between a, b, and c, such as a = 4b, 2c = 3b, and 3a = 8c. There is also mention of the need to express these variables in terms of a common parameter and how to incorporate the point P into the plane's equation.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively exploring the relationships between the variables and the implications of different representations of the plane's equation. Some have pointed out discrepancies between the problem statement and the visual representation, prompting further clarification. There is a general sense of collaboration as participants seek to guide each other toward a clearer understanding of the problem setup.

Contextual Notes

There is confusion regarding the correct form of the plane's equation and its relationship to the volume formula. Participants are encouraged to clarify their definitions and ensure that all variables and constraints are explicitly stated.

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Homework Statement


A plane with equation xa+yb+zc=1 (a,b,c>0)
together with the positive coordinate planes forms a tetrahedron of volume V=16abc (as shown in the Figure below)

Find the plane that minimizes V if the plane is constrained to pass through a point P=(8,2,3) .

Here is a picture: https://www.pic.ucla.edu/webwork2_course_files/12F-MATH32A-1/tmp/gif/dhattman-1243-setSix-prob8--image_14_8_31.png


Homework Equations



I used Lagrange multipliers SEVERAL TIMES.



The Attempt at a Solution



I've gotten
Partial(a)=(1/6)bc G(a)=-8/a^2
Partial(b)=(1/6)ac G(b)=-2/b^2
Partial(c)=(1/6)ab G(c)=-3/c^2

I then found that a=4b, 2c=3b, and 3a=8c but I am SO STUCK after this. Please help!
 
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uclagal2012 said:
tetrahedron of volume V=16abc
1/(6abc), right?
I then found that a=4b, 2c=3b, and 3a=8c
I think that's right.
So you can write each of a, b, c in terms of some common parameter, substitute that into the equation for the plane, and express the fact that the plane goes through P.
 
uclagal2012 said:

Homework Statement


A plane with equation xa+yb+zc=1 (a,b,c>0)
together with the positive coordinate planes forms a tetrahedron of volume V=16abc (as shown in the Figure below)

Find the plane that minimizes V if the plane is constrained to pass through a point P=(8,2,3) .

Here is a picture: https://www.pic.ucla.edu/webwork2_course_files/12F-MATH32A-1/tmp/gif/dhattman-1243-setSix-prob8--image_14_8_31.png


Homework Equations



I used Lagrange multipliers SEVERAL TIMES.



The Attempt at a Solution



I've gotten
Partial(a)=(1/6)bc G(a)=-8/a^2
Partial(b)=(1/6)ac G(b)=-2/b^2
Partial(c)=(1/6)ab G(c)=-3/c^2

I then found that a=4b, 2c=3b, and 3a=8c but I am SO STUCK after this. Please help!

The problem statement does not match the picture. To get the picture you need the equation of the plane to be
[tex]\frac{x}{a} + \frac{y}{b} + \frac{z}{c} = 1,[/tex]
not what you wrote. Alternatively, you can use ##ax + by + cz = 1##, but the intercepts are 1/a, 1/b and 1/c, and the volume is 1/(6*a*b*c), as stated by haruspex. So first, you need to decide which representation you want to use.
 
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Ray Vickson said:
The problem statement does not match the picture. To get the picture you need the equation of the plane to be
[tex]\frac{x}{a} + \frac{y}{b} + \frac{z}{c} = 1,[/tex]
not what you wrote. Alternatively, you can use ##ax + by + cz = 1##, but the intercepts are 1/a, 1/b and 1/c, and the volume is 1/(6*a*b*c), as stated by haruspex. So first, you need to decide which representation you want to use.

You are correct in that it is supposed to be
[tex]\frac{x}{a} + \frac{y}{b} + \frac{z}{c} = 1,[/tex]

Sorry, I am not used to this forum. Additionally, the V=1/(6*a*b*c)

So now are you able to help me more?
 
Ray Vickson said:
The problem statement does not match the picture. To get the picture you need the equation of the plane to be
[tex]\frac{x}{a} + \frac{y}{b} + \frac{z}{c} = 1,[/tex]
not what you wrote. Alternatively, you can use ##ax + by + cz = 1##, but the intercepts are 1/a, 1/b and 1/c, and the volume is 1/(6*a*b*c), as stated by haruspex. So first, you need to decide which representation you want to use.

You are correct in that it is supposed to be
[tex]\frac{x}{a} + \frac{y}{b} + \frac{z}{c} = 1,[/tex]

Sorry, I am not used to this forum. Additionally, the V=(1/6)(a*b*c)

So now are you able to help me more?
 
uclagal2012 said:
You are correct in that it is supposed to be
[tex]\frac{x}{a} + \frac{y}{b} + \frac{z}{c} = 1,[/tex]

Sorry, I am not used to this forum. Additionally, the V=(1/6)(a*b*c)

So now are you able to help me more?

You need to show your work, not just write down some unexplained equations containing undefined symbols (the G). Be explicit. What are the variables? What is the objective (the thing you are trying to maximize or minimize)? What are the constraints? (Here, I mean: write down all these objects explicitly as functions of your chosen variables.) We need to see all these things first, in order to know whether or not you are on the right track.

Assuming you have done the above, now write the Lagrangian, and then write the optimality conditions. Finally, there is the issue of solving those conditions, but again, let's see the conditions first in order to know whether you are making errors.
 
uclagal2012 said:
You are correct in that it is supposed to be
[tex]\frac{x}{a} + \frac{y}{b} + \frac{z}{c} = 1,[/tex]

Sorry, I am not used to this forum. Additionally, the V=(1/6)(a*b*c)

So now are you able to help me more?
Judging from the OP, you correctly obtained the relationships between a, b, and c, except that it now appears you had each inverted in the definition. So go back to those equations and switch a to 1/a etc.
Then you're almost there. All you need to is what I wrote before:
Write each of a, b, c in terms of some common parameter (t, say), substitute that into the equation for the plane, and express the fact that the plane goes through P.
What parts of that do I need to explain more?
 

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