Minimum number of cycles in a short pulse laser

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The discussion revolves around the feasibility of emitting laser pulses shorter than one wavelength, particularly focusing on the implications of pulse duration and its relationship to electromagnetic theory. Participants explore concepts related to pulse length, the behavior of electric fields, and the physical limitations of pulse generation in laser setups.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether a pulse can be emitted with a duration shorter than its period, suggesting the possibility of a quarter cycle pulse.
  • Another participant asserts that the integral of the electric field of a full pulse must be zero, implying that a single cycle is the shortest pulse achievable without violating Maxwell's laws.
  • There is mention of half-cycle pulses, which are asymmetric and still integrate to zero, raising questions about the implications for pulse length.
  • A participant proposes a scenario where a mechanical chopper could create a pulse of 1.125 cycles, questioning the resulting electromagnetic fields and their propagation.
  • Another participant counters the feasibility of using a mechanical chopper, emphasizing the complexities involved in instantly shutting off light and the physics of the blade's interaction with the beam.
  • One participant expresses confusion about reconciling the idea of a half pulse with established electromagnetic principles, seeking clarification on the representation of such a pulse.
  • A later reply indicates that the image referenced is not quantitatively accurate and suggests that the pulse depicted is a superposition of full cycles of waves of shorter wavelengths.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants exhibit disagreement regarding the feasibility of generating pulses shorter than one wavelength and the implications of pulse duration on electromagnetic theory. There is no consensus on the validity of using mechanical choppers for this purpose or on the interpretation of half-cycle pulses.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the dependence on assumptions about pulse generation mechanisms, the complexities of electromagnetic field behavior, and the accuracy of visual representations in understanding pulse dynamics.

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Hello to all,
In a short pulse laser emission setup, can a pulse be emmited with beam length shorter than one wavelength? (can a pulse have a duration shorter than its period?)

Lets say a laser emmiter shoots a quarter cycle pulse, what would happen to this short beam?

(lets supose the existence of a very fast chopper, and a very agile laser emmiter on the setup)EDIT:

I've found another thread within this subject (couldn't find it before):
https://www.physicsforums.com/threads/how-short-can-a-pulse-be.251777/
 
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The integral of the electric field of the full pulse must be zero, otherwise it would violate Maxwell's laws (the Fourier component of frequency 0 must be zero if no charges are present). In that sense, a single cycle is the shortest one can get.

Note that there are things called half-cycle pulses, which are in fact highly asymmetric, with a strong positive half-wave followed by a long and weaker negative tail. But even then, the total field integrates to zero.
 
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DrClaude said:
The integral of the electric field of the full pulse must be zero, otherwise it would violate Maxwell's laws (the Fourier component of frequency 0 must be zero if no charges are present). In that sense, a single cycle is the shortest one can get.

Note that there are things called half-cycle pulses, which are in fact highly asymmetric, with a strong positive half-wave followed by a long and weaker negative tail. But even then, the total field integrates to zero.

So, a pulse length must be integers multiples of one wavelength?
 
What would happen if a mechanical chopper choped a linearly polarized laser pulse with length of 1.125 cycle?

sine wave.png

(consider propagation from right to left)This would be feaseble with a mechanichal chopper. And it gives a non zero area EM fields.
What would happen to the wave form far from the source?
 
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Uchida said:
This would be feaseble with a mechanichal chopper. And it gives a non zero area EM fields.
No, this is not feasible. You have to include all the physics of the blade moving across the beam front. Shutting off the light instantly is simply not possible.
 
DrClaude said:
The integral of the electric field of the full pulse must be zero, otherwise it would violate Maxwell's laws (the Fourier component of frequency 0 must be zero if no charges are present). In that sense, a single cycle is the shortest one can get.

How do I square the above fact with the image below where it looks like we have a propagating E&M pulse of just one half pulse? I apologize if this is obvious.

Thank you.
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Spinnor said:
How do I square the above fact with the image below where it looks like we have a propagating E&M pulse of just one half pulse?
That picture was intended only to show qualitatively how accelerating an electric charge produces radiation. It’s not precisely and quantitatively accurate so you cannot rely on it for anything else.

When we work through all the physics of the accelerated charge, we find that the pulse in that picture is a superposition of full cycles of waves of much shorter wavelength.
 
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