Minimum of two iid exponential distributions

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The discussion revolves around the expected value of the minimum of two independent and identically distributed (iid) exponential random variables. Participants explore the calculation of E[Y] where Y is defined as the minimum of two exponential random variables, addressing the assumptions and properties of exponential distributions.

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  • One participant presents an attempt to calculate E[Y] using conditional expectations and probabilities, leading to a result of 1/μ.
  • Another participant notes that the expected value of X_1 given that X_1 is less than X_2 should be lower than the unconditional expected value of X_1, suggesting a flaw in the initial reasoning.
  • Concerns are raised about the assumption that E[X_1|X_1

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Participants express disagreement regarding the assumptions made in the initial calculation of E[Y]. There is no consensus on the validity of the approach or the correctness of the conclusions drawn from it.

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The discussion highlights potential misunderstandings related to conditional expectations and the properties of order statistics in the context of exponential distributions. Specific mathematical steps and assumptions are not fully resolved.

ait.abd
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Let X_1, X_2 \sim Exp(\mu) and Y = min(X_1, X_2) then find E[Y].
My attempt is as follows:
$$E[Y] = E[Y/X_1<X_2]P(X_1<X_2) + E[Y/X_1>X_2]P(X_1>X_2) \\
= \frac{1}{2} (E[X_1/X_1<X_2] + E[X_2/X_1>X_2] ) \\
= \frac{1}{2} (1/\mu + 1/\mu) \\
= 1/\mu$$
But, we know that minimum of two exponentially distributed RVs is another exponentially distributed RV with mean 1/(2\mu). I don't understand why the above method doesn't work ?
I used the following property of exponential distribution.
P(X_1&lt;X_2) = \frac{\mu_1}{\mu_1 + \mu_2}
 
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On the first glance E(X_1|X_1&lt;X_2)≠E(X_1)=1/\mu

The instances of X_1 where it is smaller than X_2 should average lower than an unconditional X_1.
 
ait.abd said:
$$
= \frac{1}{2} (E[X_1/X_1<X_2] + E[X_2/X_1>X_2] ) \\
= \frac{1}{2} (1/\mu + 1/\mu) \\
$$

Your method assumes E[X_1|X_1&lt; X_2] = E[X_1] = E[X_1| X_1 &gt; X_2]
I don't think that's true. Could you prove it by writing out the integrals involved? The probability densities would be distributions of the "order statistics" of the exponential distribution.
 
Stephen Tashi said:
Your method assumes E[X_1|X_1&lt; X_2] = E[X_1] = E[X_1| X_1 &gt; X_2]
I don't think that's true. Could you prove it by writing out the integrals involved? The probability densities would be distributions of the "order statistics" of the exponential distribution.

Got it! Thanks!
 

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