Missoula floods and an energy problem

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In summary, the author is thinking about the energy required to melt an ice sheet, and looking at a graph of insolation, they think that it may not have been available at the time the floods occurred.
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As I was reading Hanson et al 2012...

Glacial Lake Missoula formed when the Purcell Trench lobe of the Cordilleran ice sheet dammed Clark Fork River in Montana during the Fraser Glaciation (marine oxygen isotope stage 2). Over a period of several thousand years, the lake repeatedly filled and drained through its ice dam, and floodwaters coursed across the landscape in eastern Washington.
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The floods date to between approximately 21.4 and 13.4 cal ka ago based on regional chronological data. ...

That made me think of another recent contemplation about energy required and available for all that melting as per http://dl.dropbox.com/u/22026080/Hare1976.QR.PersistentProblemsEnergytoMeltLIS.pdf .

So Hare triggered me to do some very rough order of magnitude calculations on http://dl.dropbox.com/u/22026080/icemeltenergy.xlsx to find that the melting of the ice sheets in the last glacial maximum would have required some ROM of 30 W/m2.

Now looking at the July insolation graph on 65 North latitude lowest one here we see insolation variations of 50-80 W/m2, so that seemed not unreasonable initially.

However in combination with Hanson et al 2012 and the earliest dating of the Missoula floodings after 21,400 years ago, a question arises. If you have a flood, you need to melt the ice first and looking at the insolation graph, we were at a minimum at that time and the ice should have been accumulating - insolation wise. So where did the energy come from? What is wrong here?
 
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If you have a flood, you need to melt the ice first
That's the problem right there. If you look at a map of the Lake and surrounding area, you'll realize that what really happened was that the glacier blocked the course of an existing river, the Clark Fork of the Columbia. The Clark Fork (as it is generally referred to) has a drainage area mostly to the south and east of the Purcell lobe, so the water that filled the lake was not necessarily ice melt but whatever kind of water a Montana river normally receives.
 
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I meant to return here sooner, but some study needed to be done first, anyway.

With repeated floodings you would expect an ice sheet advancing stage required to restore the ice dam after the breach.

The problem here is that several studies suggest a rather early retreat for the Cordilleran like this here suggesting 16 Ka BP calibrated to about 19.3 Ka Cal BP, so there are several thousand years that an ice dam appeared to have restored by advancing in a generally retreating scenario.

I'll study some more.
 

1. What were the Missoula floods and how did they form?

The Missoula floods were a series of catastrophic floods that occurred in the northwestern United States at the end of the last ice age, around 15,000 years ago. These floods were caused by the sudden release of large volumes of water from Glacial Lake Missoula, a proglacial lake formed by the melting of the Cordilleran Ice Sheet. As the ice dam holding back the lake would periodically break, huge amounts of water would rush out, carving out the landscape and creating the unique features of the Channeled Scablands region in Washington State.

2. How did the Missoula floods affect the energy problem in the region?

The Missoula floods had a significant impact on the energy problem in the region. The powerful floods caused massive erosion and deposition, altering the landscape and making it unsuitable for human settlement and agriculture. This made it difficult for early settlers to establish a stable source of energy, such as farming or logging. The floods also affected the flow of rivers, making it challenging to harness hydroelectric power, which is a major source of energy in the Pacific Northwest.

3. What is the connection between the Missoula floods and the formation of the Columbia River Gorge?

The Missoula floods played a crucial role in the formation of the Columbia River Gorge. As the floods rushed through the region, they carved out the steep walls and narrow channel of the gorge. The floods also carried large amounts of sediment, which deposited in the gorge and created the rich soil that supports the diverse vegetation found in the area today. Additionally, the floods changed the course of the Columbia River, shaping its path through the gorge.

4. How do scientists study and understand the Missoula floods?

Scientists study and understand the Missoula floods through a combination of geological evidence, such as sediment deposits and erosion patterns, and computer modeling. By analyzing the physical characteristics of the landscape, scientists can reconstruct the magnitude, frequency, and duration of the floods. They also use radiocarbon dating to determine the age of the sediment deposits and study the geological features of the Channeled Scablands region to understand the impact of the floods.

5. Could the Missoula floods happen again?

Yes, the Missoula floods could happen again. The ice dam holding back Glacial Lake Missoula was formed by the Cordilleran Ice Sheet, which is no longer present. However, similar glacial lakes and ice dams still exist in other parts of the world, such as Greenland and Antarctica. Additionally, climate change could potentially lead to a similar scenario in the future, as melting ice sheets and glaciers could create large volumes of water that could cause similar catastrophic floods.

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