Möbius Mappings: Is SL or GL the Correct Group?

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The discussion revolves around the definition and classification of Möbius mappings, specifically whether the set of these mappings should be associated with the special linear group SL(2,ℂ) or the general linear group GL(2,ℂ). Participants explore the implications of this classification in the context of a homework exercise.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions if the exercise mistakenly uses SL(2,ℂ) instead of GL(2,ℂ) for defining the set of Möbius mappings.
  • Another participant asserts that if SL(2,ℂ) is indeed used, it represents a subset of all Möbius transformations, which are defined by the condition ad - bc ≠ 0.
  • A different participant expresses uncertainty about the nature of the mistake, suggesting that the term "set of Möbius mappings" could imply a subset rather than the entire set.
  • One participant defends the exercise, noting that while the notation Mob is not standard, it is reasonable, and emphasizes the lack of universally accepted notation for the group of Möbius transformations.
  • Another participant mentions the complexity of the equivalence classes of the matrices involved in the transformations.
  • One participant introduces the idea that Möbius transformations can define automorphisms of conformal mappings on the upper half-plane.
  • A later reply discusses the relationship between PSL(2,ℝ) and PSU(1,1) in the context of Möbius transformations, noting their parameters and stabilizing properties.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether there is a mistake in the exercise, with some asserting there is confusion while others defend the exercise's validity. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the correct classification of the group associated with Möbius mappings.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the ambiguity in the terminology used for the set of Möbius mappings and the non-standard notation for the group, indicating potential limitations in understanding the definitions and relationships between the groups involved.

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I have an exercise where the set of möbius mappings is defined like this

[tex] \textrm{Mob} = \{ f_A:\mathbb{C}\to\mathbb{C}\;|\; f_A(z)=\frac{az+b}{cz+d},\; A=\left[\begin{array}{cc}a & b \\ c & d \\ \end{array}\right]\in \textrm{SL}(2,\mathbb{C})\}[/tex]

Is it probable, that there is a mistake and the the special linear group should be replaced with [itex]\textrm{GL}(2,\mathbb{C})[/itex]?

The exercise uses wording "let us consider the set of möbius mappings", and I started thinking, that could that "set" be "subset". Is "Mob" common name for the full set of Möbius mappings?
 
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If it's really the special linear group, then yes, it is a subset of all the Moebius transformations, since a Moebius transformation is defined as a mapping from C to C of the form (az+b)/(cz+d) where ad-bc!=0
 
So there is a mistake in the exercise, but I cannot logically conclude what it is, because there could be at least two different kind of mistakes. I think I'll assume that the Mob is a subset of the set of Möbius mappings, because this way the exercise is easier. :smile:

hmhm... or no. It's not really mistake, only very confusing. "set of möbius mappings" can mean any set, whose members are möbius mappings, and thus "set of möbius mappings" is now some "subset of the set of all möbius mappings"...
 
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jostpuur said:
So there is a mistake in the exercise

Hmm... the exercise looks fine to me. I think Christo forgot a technical point.

The notation [itex]Mob[/itex] is not exactly standard but it is reasonable enough. There is no universally standard notation for the group of Moebius transformations, but the definition as the group of mappings [itex]z \mapsto \frac{a \, z + b}{c \, z + d}, \; a \, d - b \, c \neq 0[/itex] is standard. The bit you have quite grokked yet is the relationship between this group and [itex]SL(2,{\bf Z})[/itex].

Do you know what [itex]PSL(2,{\bf Z})[/itex] is? How about [itex]PGL(2,{\bf Z})[/itex]? How are these related? (Hint: might be a trick questions :wink: Another hint: would your "correction" really change the definition offered in the exercise?)

I take it this is a homework exercise so I don't want to just tell you the answer, but if you really get stuck, see Theorem 2.1.3 in Jones and Singerman, Complex Functions, Cambridge University Press, 1987.
 
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I knew there was something tricky going on, because I'm now fighting with the equivalence classes of these matrices.
 
Exactly.
 
Incidentally these mobius transformations define the automorphisms of conformal mappings on the upper half plane.

For fun, prove this! ;0

I recently wrote an exposition on hyperbolic geometry utilizing mobius transformations. One of my sources used Mob(H) to be the set of mobius transformation as you defined.
 
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I think you mean [itex]PSL(2, {\bf R})[/itex] (Moebius transformations of the upper half plane), which is isomorphic to [itex]PSU(1,1)[/itex] (Moebius transformations of the unit disk). Both have three real parameters, while [itex]PSL(2,{\bf C})[/itex] has six (like the Lorentz group, not a coincidence). In fact, [itex]PSL(2, {\bf R})[/itex] is the stabilizer of the upper half plane (in fact, of its boundary, the real line--- which is a circle on the Riemann sphere) while [itex]PSU(1,1)[/itex] is the stabilizer of the unit disk (in fact, of its boundary, the unit circle). So the first two are conjugate subgroups of the Moebius group itself (the third group).
 
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