Mobius transformation (isomorphism)

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The discussion revolves around the isomorphism of the class of Möbius transformations to certain groups of matrices, specifically GL2 and its quotients. Participants explore the implications of this isomorphism, the treatment of diagonal matrices, and the concept of equivalence under scalar multiplication.

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  • One participant expresses confusion about the statement that M is isomorphic to GL2/Diag, questioning the exclusion of diagonal matrices and suggesting that matrices with determinant zero should be excluded instead.
  • Another participant proposes that M is isomorphic to GL2(C)/(CI), explaining that matrices of the form kI are treated as equivalent to the identity matrix, thus not excluded but considered the same transformation.
  • A participant seeks clarification on the meaning of "mod a scalar" and how it relates to the treatment of matrices, expressing uncertainty about the analogy with modulo arithmetic.
  • One participant provides a detailed explanation of the structure of GL2(C) and the concept of quotient groups, emphasizing the multiplicative nature of the group and the equivalence of matrices differing by a scalar multiple.
  • Participants discuss the relationship between the determinant of matrices and their classification within the groups GL2 and SL2, noting that multiplying by a scalar can yield matrices of determinant 1.

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Participants exhibit some agreement on the isomorphism of M to GL2(C)/(CI) and the treatment of scalar multiples, but there remains uncertainty and confusion regarding the implications of these concepts and the specific exclusions in the original statement.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express confusion about the terminology and concepts related to group theory, particularly regarding the treatment of diagonal matrices and the meaning of equivalence under scalar multiplication.

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Im having difficulty understanding this satement - can someone please explain it to me...

let M be the class of mobius transformations

M is isomorphic to GL2/Diag isomorphic to SL2/Id, where GL2 is the group of non-degenerate matrices of size 2 x 2 with complex entries, SL2 = A in GL2 : detA = 1, Diag is the group of non-zero diagonal 2 x 2 matrices and Id is the identity.

I know what a mobius transform is and that the matrix of its coefficients cannot be zero, i know that isomorphism = one to one correspondence... but i don't understand this statement at all - why are we exclusing the diagonal matrices... surely we should be excluding the matrices with det 0?

thanks
 
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actually (my memory is a bit foggy on these) i think that M is isomorphic to GL2(C)/(CI), where the matrices in CI are of the form:

[k 0]
[0 k], for some non-zero complex number, k.

we're not "excluding" the matrices kI, we're treating them as if they all were the identity matrix. if m =

[a b]
[c d] represents the mobius transformation f(z) = (az+b)/(cz+d), then m' =

[ka kb]
[kc kd] represents the transformation g(z) = (kaz+kb)/(kcz+kd) = k(az+b)/(k(cz+d)) = f(z), the same transformation as f.

so we need to take the matrices m "mod a scalar".
 
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Deveno said:
actually (my memory is a bit foggy on these) i think that M is isomorphic to GL2(C)/(CI), where the matrices in CI are of the form:

[k 0]
[0 k], for some non-zero complex number, k.

we're not "excluding" the matrices kI, we're treating them as if they all were the identity matrix. if m =

[a b]
[c d] represents the mobius transformation f(z) = (az+b)/(cz+d), then m' =

[ka kb]
[kc kd] represents the transformation g(z) = (kaz+kb)/(kcz+kd) = k(az+b)/(k(cz+d)) = f(z), the same transformation as f.

so we need to take the matrices m "mod a scalar".

how do you know we are treating them as the identity matrix? i thought eg R/{0} meant all the real numbers excluding zero, so why is it different here? and what does "mod a scalar" mean? mod = modulo arithmetic? (Im not very good at this kind of thing - it confuses me!)

thanks :)
 
GL2(C) is the general linear group of degree 2 (2x2 invertible matrices), over the field C.

in a group like GL2(C), you ignore the additive structure, and deal just with the multiplication. to have a group structure, every element must have an inverse (this is the same as requiring that ad - bc is non-zero in the 2x2 case).

the technical term for GL2(C)/(CI) is a "quotient" group. this is like modulo arithmetic, but more general. with integers, we say that a ≡ b (mod n) if a - b = kn, for some integer k. here, the operation is "+" (we can write a - b as a+(-b)).

with matrix multiplication, we have a different operation, under this operation the inverse of B is B-1, and the parallel of a - b is AB-1.

now the set of all integer kn (multiples of n) form what is called a subgroup of the integers (any sum of multiples of n is a multiple of n, and the additive inverse of a multiple of n is also a multiple of n. also, 0, the additive identity, is a multiple of n,0 = 0n). so the condition: a - b = kn, is really the condition a - b is in the subgroup nZ. this has the effect of setting all multiples of n congruent to 0, all numbers of the form n+1 congruent to 1, etc.

by direct analogy, the matrices kI, form a multiplicative group:

(kI)(k'I) = (kk')I

I = 1I,

(kI)-1 = (1/k)I

we can use this to define an equivalence of matrices: A ~ B if AB-1 = kI.

this means that we are regarding A and B as "the same" if they differ by just a scalar multiple. this is what is meant by "mod a scalar", we are treating kA =(kI)A, the same as A.

this is a similar notation as A\B = {x in A, but not in B}, so A\{0} means {the non-zero elements of A}, but the meaning is entirely different.

the meaning of the statement that M is isomorphic to GL2(C)/(CI), is just that there is a 1-1
correspondence between the transformations f(z) = (az+b)/(cz+d) and matrices of the form:

[ka kb]
[kc kd] , k non-zero in C, ad-bc non-zero.

by multiplying a matrix

[a b]
[c d] (with ad-bc non-zero) by 1/(ad-bc) (to which it is equivalent, since 1/(ad-bc) is a scalar) we obtain a matrix of determinant 1, which is what SL2(C) is, the invertible matrices of determinant 1 (this is another "subgroup" of GL2(C)).
 
Ah... perfect! thanks so much! :)
 

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