Modeling Asteroid Rotation Using Quaternions: Seeking Guidance on Init

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The discussion revolves around modeling the rotation of an asteroid using quaternions, a mathematical framework. It encompasses theoretical exploration, practical application, and comparative analysis with other mathematical methods such as Euler angles. Participants share insights, resources, and suggestions to assist an International Baccalaureate student in developing their extended essay on this topic.

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  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants highlight the historical significance of quaternions in physics, referencing Hamilton's vision and Gibbs' critique of their complexity.
  • One participant suggests that quaternions are particularly useful in describing motion in three-dimensional space and notes a resurgence of interest in their application in computer graphics.
  • A participant recommends reviewing the Mathworks documentation for quaternion algorithms, emphasizing the importance of selecting an appropriate error correction gain for the application.
  • Another participant raises a concern that modeling asteroid rotation may not effectively showcase the advantages of quaternions unless a fixed rotation axis is found, suggesting that variable rotations due to gas jetting could demonstrate their benefits.
  • Participants provide various resources, including Wikipedia articles and YouTube channels, to aid in understanding quaternions and their applications.
  • Alternative mathematical approaches such as vector analysis and geometric algebra are mentioned as potential comparisons to quaternions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express interest in the topic and share resources, but there is no consensus on the best approach to modeling asteroid rotation or the most effective methodologies to employ. The discussion remains open-ended with multiple perspectives on the utility of quaternions versus other methods.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the potential limitations of modeling asteroid rotation, particularly regarding the choice of fixed versus variable rotation axes and the implications for demonstrating quaternion advantages. There are also unresolved questions about the formulation of differential equations and comparative analysis structures.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be useful for students and researchers interested in advanced mathematics, particularly in the context of rotational dynamics, as well as those exploring the applications of quaternions in physics and computer graphics.

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I am writing a paper on modeling asteroid rotation using quaternions and establishing a differential equation to track its changes over time. I'm struggling with the initial modeling and comparative analysis against other mathematical approaches like Euler angles. I seek guidance on starting points for modeling, formulating differential equations, structuring comparative analysis, and any additional concepts to enrich my analysis
Hello everyone,

I am an International Baccalaureate (IB) student working on my extended essay, which is a mandated 4,000-word research paper. My chosen topic is Quaternions, a mathematical concept I find highly intriguing. The primary aim of my paper is to model the rotation of an asteroid using quaternions and establish a differential equation to track its change over time. Additionally, I aim to compare the practicality and efficiency of using quaternions with other mathematical approaches such as the Euler angles to highlight their unique advantages.

Background and Preliminary Work
I have equipped myself with math knowledge beyond the typical high school curriculum, delving into resources to understand quaternion rotations and some preliminary calculations concerning them. I have also begun exploring quaternion differential equations. Here’s a summary of what I've learned and attempted so far:
Understanding Quaternions: Grasped the basics of quaternions and their application in rotational dynamics through various resource i have also learnt about euler angles and the common problem that arises from their use, gimbal lock
Exploration of Differential Equations: Began understanding the formulation of differential equations to describe quaternion rotations over time.

Challenges and Queries
While I have made some progress, I am struggling with how to model an asteroid’s rotation using quaternions from scratch. Here are my specific questions:
Modeling Start Point: What could be a logical starting point for modeling an asteroid's rotation using quaternions? Are there any established methodologies or examples I could follow?
Differential Equation Formulation: How might I go about establishing a differential equation to track the asteroid's rotational change over time?
Comparative Analysis: What might be some other mathematical approaches for modeling rotations, and how can I structure a comparative analysis to highlight the advantages of quaternions?
Further Ideation: Are there any additional concepts or applications of quaternions that could enrich my paper's analysis and discussion?

This question arises from my self-driven exploration and ambition to contribute a well-researched paper on a challenging and engaging topic. The motivation stems from my fascination with both space phenomena and advanced mathematics, and the desire to explore an intriguing intersection of the two.

Any guidance, references, or suggestions on how to proceed would be immensely appreciated. I am particularly interested in practical advice on modeling and comparative analysis, and any resources that could further deepen my understanding of quaternions and their applications in rotational dynamics.

Thank you in advance for your time and insights!
 
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Welcome to PF!

This is a very interesting topic. Qaternions were quite popular in Physics due to Hamillton's work. H envisioned all of Physics being transformed by them. They had the built-in property of rotation when using them to describe the motion of a body in #D space. However, Gibb's felt they were unnecesarily complicated and so he borrowed some of their notation namely i,j,k and created Vector Analysis from them.

More recently there's been a resurgence of interest in computer graphics systems.

For starters, I found this reference on Wikipedia:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quaternions_and_spatial_rotation

and these references on Youtube that may be some help:



3Brown1Blue is an excellent presenter of mathematical knowledge.

https://wirewhiz.com/quaternion-tips/

For alternative methods, you might look to these systems of math:
-vector analysis and its use in Classical Mechanics (Goldstein's book on CM)
- geometric algebra and its use in CM (in particular David Hestenes work)
 
To start with, you might look at the short "Algorithms" paragraph in the Mathworks documentation of their quaternion algorithm. An important step is to find a good error correction gain, ##K##, that works for your application. That might be a part of your report. Your choice of asteroid rotation might not be the best for displaying the advantage of quaternions if you can find a fixed rotation axis and avoid the problem of gimbal-lock. If your asteroid is jetting gasses and the rotations change, then there would be a real advantage for quaternions.
 

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