Modeling Bacterial Growth with Differential Equations

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The discussion revolves around modeling bacterial growth using differential equations. The original poster presents a scenario where bacteria multiply at a rate proportional to their current population, leading to the formulation of a differential equation to describe this growth. The problem includes specific initial conditions and a growth rate, prompting participants to explore the implications of these parameters.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the interpretation of the growth rate and its implications for determining the constant of exponentiation. There is a debate about whether the problem can be treated as linear or geometric progression, with some suggesting that the exponential model is more appropriate for continuous growth.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants offering guidance on how to approach the problem, particularly in finding the constant k. There is recognition of the need to use all provided information to arrive at the correct solution, indicating a productive exploration of the topic.

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Participants note the challenge of applying discrete growth models to continuous scenarios, particularly when considering fractional time intervals. There is also mention of the importance of initial conditions and additional information provided in the problem statement.

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A cultured bacteria of a species multiplied at a rate that is directly proportional to the number of cultured bacteria in the culture. If x is the number of bacteria in the culture in time t seconds write down the differential equation that describes the growth of the bacteria. At the beginning of the experiment, there were 1000 bacteria of a certain species. It was known that the cultured bacteria multiply at a rate of 1.5 times per hour. Find the number of bacteria in the culture after 3 hours.

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The differential equation is dx/dt=kx with solution x=1000e^(kt)

It was known that the cultured bacteria multiply at a rate of 1.5 times per hour. What did this line imply?

since in one hour it multiplied 1.5 times, then in 3 hours would be 4.5 times. Simply take 1000 multiplied by 4.5 to get the answer?
 
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thereddevils said:
It was known that the cultured bacteria multiply at a rate of 1.5 times per hour. What did this line imply?
After 1 hour the bacteria has multiplied by 1.5 times. You need to use this information to find the constant of exponentiation k.

thereddevils said:
since in one hour it multiplied 1.5 times, then in 3 hours would be 4.5 times. Simply take 1000 multiplied by 4.5 to get the answer?
Definitely not. This is not a linear problem.
In the second hour, we already have 1.5x the original bacteria population and now we're going to take 1.5x that population, not the original.
 
Mentallic said:
After 1 hour the bacteria has multiplied by 1.5 times. You need to use this information to find the constant of exponentiation k.


Definitely not. This is not a linear problem.
In the second hour, we already have 1.5x the original bacteria population and now we're going to take 1.5x that population, not the original.

ok thanks,

dx/dt=1.5=kx

k=1.5/x

x=1000e^(1.5t/x)

Then when t=3, x=1000e^(4.5/x)

so i solve for x here?
 
You have x=1000e^{kt}

And we are given that at time t=0 there are 1000 bacteria, so x=1000 at t=0, which is true by the formula given. We are also given that at time t=1 (we are assuming t is in hours here to make things simple) that the bacteria is 1.5 times the original number, so x=1500 at t=1. Here if we plug this into the equation we can solve for k to find its value. Now we use this value of k to find the value of x at t=3.
 
Mentallic said:
You have x=1000e^{kt}

And we are given that at time t=0 there are 1000 bacteria, so x=1000 at t=0, which is true by the formula given. We are also given that at time t=1 (we are assuming t is in hours here to make things simple) that the bacteria is 1.5 times the original number, so x=1500 at t=1. Here if we plug this into the equation we can solve for k to find its value. Now we use this value of k to find the value of x at t=3.

Erm that got me confused a little again, if we can do like that why can't the problem be treated like a geometric progression?

1000 , 1000(1.5) , 1000(1.5)^2 ,... ??
 
It can, but it would be hard to figure out what happens in fractions of an hour that way.
 
Mentallic said:
It can, but it would be hard to figure out what happens in fractions of an hour that way.

true , thanks for your guidance.
 
No worries :smile:

Just as a note that has helped me in the past for these kinds of problems. Remember to use all the info given. It's usually needed to find some unknown constants which otherwise wouldn't give you the answer you're looking for.

This happens a lot in integration too for example when you're trying to find what the constant C must be in a physical question.

Say for this question you didn't use the extra info given, you'll try to find the population at time t=3, which gives x=1000e^{3k} but of course this isn't an answer we're looking for, which means you missed something.

Good luck!
 

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