Modular Arithmetic: Divisibility Statements with Natural Numbers

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The discussion revolves around establishing divisibility statements using modular arithmetic, specifically focusing on the expression 7 | 52n + 3(25n - 2) for natural numbers n. Participants explore the implications of including or excluding zero in the set of natural numbers and how this affects the treatment of the expressions involved.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss setting up a mod 7 table to evaluate the expressions for n = 0 to 6, but some express confusion about handling the case when n = 0. Others question the necessity of using a table and suggest alternative methods for proving the statement.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing insights into modular arithmetic and questioning the assumptions regarding the inclusion of zero in natural numbers. Some guidance has been offered regarding the reduction of terms modulo 7, but no consensus has been reached on the best approach to establish the divisibility statement.

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There is a noted ambiguity regarding the definition of natural numbers, particularly whether zero is included. This affects how participants approach the problem and interpret the expressions involved.

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For n in N (Natural Numbers), use modular arithemetic to establish each of the following divisibility statements:

a) 7 | 52n + 3 (25n - 2)

Attempt: Well I've set up a mod 7 table and was figuring out the values from n = 0,...6 for the two individual expressions, then I was going to combine them. But I of course hit a rough patch when I got to 25n - 2. Since I'm in the Natural numbers, fractions do not exist, so how do I treat 25n - 2 when n = 0 ?
 
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trap101 said:
For n in N (Natural Numbers) …

a) 7 | 52n + 3 (25n - 2)

Since I'm in the Natural numbers, fractions do not exist, so how do I treat 25n - 2 when n = 0 ?

some people include 0 in the natural numbers, and some don't

clearly, this question doesn't

see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_numbers#Notation for a discussion :wink:
 
ahh this is true. I gather you would deduce this from the fact that I would have been stuck with a fraction if n = 0 did exist? So if n = 0 was included in the natural numbers for this question, would the question even be answerable?
 
7 is a prime number, so Z7 is a finite field, and each non-zero element thus has a multiplicative inverse. You would treat 2-2 as 4 * 4 mod 7 in this case.
 
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ok thanks
 
I had another quick question pertaining to this sort of question. The question asked me to establish that the above expression is true. Is the only way I can establish its truth by using a mod table or is there another method?
 
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trap101 said:
For n in N (Natural Numbers), use modular arithemetic to establish each of the following divisibility statements:

a) 7 | 52n + 3 (25n - 2)

Attempt: Well I've set up a mod 7 table and was figuring out the values from n = 0,...6 for the two individual expressions, then I was going to combine them. But I of course hit a rough patch when I got to 25n - 2. Since I'm in the Natural numbers, fractions do not exist, so how do I treat 25n - 2 when n = 0 ?

you shouldn't have to use a table.

52n = (52)n, whether mod 7 or not.

but mod 7, we can reduce 52 = 25 to 4. that is:

52n = 4n (mod 7).

now 3(25n-2) = 3(25)n(2-2).

reduce everything on the right you can mod 7,

you will have (3)(somethingn)(42) (mod 7).

if you did everything right, you should be able to add the terms and it will be obvious what you have is equal to 0 mod 7, thus proving the orginial statement.
 
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you shouldn't have to use a table.

52n = (52)n, whether mod 7 or not.

but mod 7, we can reduce 52 = 25 to 4. that is:

52n = 4n (mod 7).

now 3(25n-2) = 3(25)n(2-2).

reduce everything on the right you can mod 7,

you will have (3)(somethingn)(42) (mod 7).

if you did everything right, you should be able to add the terms and it will be obvious what you have is equal to 0 mod 7, thus proving the orginial statement.



Thanks. I got an answer, but my approach was a long winded table. Now I was trying to reduce how you suggested and I got (3)(4n 42 (mod 7).

I made bold the 42 because I don't see where you got that from, as well what happened to the 2-2 portion?

Now adding up these congruences I got 4n(1 + 19)...should that have been 4n(1+20), to get 21 and thus proving divisibility by 7?
 
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trap101 said:
Thanks. I got an answer, but my approach was a long winded table. Now I was trying to reduce how you suggested and I got (3)(4n 42 (mod 7).

I made bold the 42 because I don't see where you got that from, as well what happened to the 2-2 portion?

Now adding up these congruences I got 4n(1 + 19)...should that have been 4n(1+20), to get 21 and thus proving divisibility by 7?

mod 7, we have:

(2)(4) = 8 = 1 (mod 7).

therefore 2-1 = 4

4 is the ONLY number x in {1,2,3,4,5,6} with this property: 2x = 1 (mod 7), which you may check if you like. it therefore makes sense to speak of 4 as THE inverse for 2 (mod 7).

so if 2-1 = 4 (mod 7)

then 2-2 = (2-1)2 = 42 (mod 7).

it may come as no surprise that we can "multiply mod n". what IS no doubt surprising, is sometimes, we can also "divide mod n".

in fact, if n is prime (as 7 so conveniently happens to be), we can divide by any non-zero residue class. that is, the integers modulo p (where p is prime) form a FIELD.

mod 7 we have:

1-1 = 1
2-1 = 4
3-1 = 5
4-1 = 2
5-1 = 3
6-1 = 6.

now, to finish "my approach" what is 16 (mod 7), and therefore, what is (3)(42) (mod 7)?
 

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