Modular mathematics - what is 7^(-1) mod 10

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The discussion revolves around the concept of modular arithmetic, specifically focusing on finding the modular inverse of 7 modulo 10, denoted as 7^(-1) mod 10. Participants are exploring the properties and calculations related to this concept.

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  • Participants are questioning the reasoning behind the equivalence of 7^(-1) and 3 mod 10, with some drawing parallels to the concept of fractions. Others suggest checking the correctness of the equivalence through multiplication and modular reduction.

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The discussion is active, with various methods being proposed to understand and verify the modular inverse. Some participants have shared different approaches, including testing integer values and applying the Euclidean algorithm, indicating a productive exploration of the topic.

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Some participants express confusion regarding the initial understanding of modular inverses and the methods to derive them, highlighting the need for clarification on definitions and properties within modular arithmetic.

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Sorry,
This isn't a homework question. I'm just having trouble understanding some of the notes I've taken down.I'd really appreciate if some of you could help me understand this.
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1/3 is that number with the property

(1/3)(3) = 1
...

what is 7^(-1) mod 10?

7^(-1) ≡ 3 mod 10

because 7 * 3 ≡ 1 {21 - 2(10)= 1}
____________

Is it ≡ to 3 because 7 by 3 gives you 1 like in the case of 1/3.

but I'm not multiplying 7^(-1) by 3?

If someone could help me understand this it would be really appreciated.
 
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Woolyabyss said:
Sorry,
This isn't a homework question. I'm just having trouble understanding some of the notes I've taken down.I'd really appreciate if some of you could help me understand this.
________________

1/3 is that number with the property

(1/3)(3) = 1
...

what is 7^(-1) mod 10?

7^(-1) ≡ 3 mod 10

because 7 * 3 ≡ 1 {21 - 2(10)= 1}
____________

Is it ≡ to 3 because 7 by 3 gives you 1 like in the case of 1/3.

but I'm not multiplying 7^(-1) by 3?

If someone could help me understand this it would be really appreciated.

Well, the explanation depends on what you want to use a starting point. If you want to start from the answer, 7^{-1} ≡ 3 mod 10 and just check that it is correct, it is quick. We just multiply both sides and check if they are equal, modulo 10. The left side is 7 \times 7^{-1} =1
and the right side is 7 x 3 = 21 which is indeed 1 modulo 10. So that checks out.

Now, let's say we did not know the answer. Then we could start with

7 \times \frac{1}{7} =1 \text{ mod } 10
We want an integer value for 1/7 modulo 10 and of course it won't work if we use 1 as the right hand side. So we now try the next possibility for 1 mod 10, which is 11. So we have

7 \times \frac{1}{7} = 11 \text{ mod } 10

Again, we get a non integer solution. We try the next possibility for 1 mod 10, which is 21. So now we have

7 \times \frac{1}{7} = 21 \text{ mod } 10

and we get

\frac{1}{7} = 3 \text{ mod } 10
 
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nrqed said:
Well, the explanation depends on what you want to use a starting point. If you want to start from the answer, 7^{-1} ≡ 3 mod 10 and just check that it is correct, it is quick. We just multiply both sides and check if they are equal, modulo 10. The left side is 7 \times 7^{-1} =1
and the right side is 7 x 3 = 21 which is indeed 1 modulo 10. So that checks out.

Now, let's say we did not know the answer. Then we could start with

7 \times \frac{1}{7} =1 \text{ mod } 10
We want an integer value for 1/7 modulo 10 and of course it won't work if we use 1 as the right hand side. So we now try the next possibility for 1 mod 10, which is 11. So we have

7 \times \frac{1}{7} = 11 \text{ mod } 10

Again, we get a non integer solution. We try the next possibility for 1 mod 10, which is 21. So now we have

7 \times \frac{1}{7} = 21 \text{ mod } 10

and we get

\frac{1}{7} = 3 \text{ mod } 10

Thanks, I understand it a lot better now.
 
To check if 7-1=3 mod 10, apply modular arithmetic when multiplying i with 7:

3(mod 10) x 7(mod 10) =1 mod 10 ehild
 
Another way of doing it: if x= 7-1 (mod 10) then 7x= 1 (mod 10). Now you could try x= 0 to 9 to see which works.

Or you could write 7x= 1+ 10n for some integer n. That is the same as 7x- 10n= 1, a "Diophantine" equation.

Use the "Euclidean algorithm" to solve that equation-
7 divides into 10 once, with remainder 3: 10- 1(7)= 3.
3 divides into 7 twice, with remainder 1: 7- 2(3)= 1.

Replace that "3" with "10- 7" from the previous equation: 7- 2(10- 7)= 3(7)- 2(10)= 1.

So one solution to 7x- 10n= 1 is x= 3, n= 2 which tells us that 3(7)= 1 (mod 10) and that 7-1= 3 (mod 10).
 
HallsofIvy said:
Another way of doing it: if x= 7-1 (mod 10) then 7x= 1 (mod 10). Now you could try x= 0 to 9 to see which works.

Or you could write 7x= 1+ 10n for some integer n. That is the same as 7x- 10n= 1, a "Diophantine" equation.

Use the "Euclidean algorithm" to solve that equation-
7 divides into 10 once, with remainder 3: 10- 1(7)= 3.
3 divides into 7 twice, with remainder 1: 7- 2(3)= 1.

Replace that "3" with "10- 7" from the previous equation: 7- 2(10- 7)= 3(7)- 2(10)= 1.

So one solution to 7x- 10n= 1 is x= 3, n= 2 which tells us that 3(7)= 1 (mod 10) and that 7-1= 3 (mod 10).

Thanks, my lecturer just showed us this method today.
 

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