Molar Ratio Problem: Find Ethane to Methane

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The forum discussion centers on solving the molar ratio problem of ethane (C2H6) to methane (CH4) in a gas mixture with a density of 1.18 g/L at standard temperature and pressure (STP). The correct approach involves using the ideal gas law and the relationship between molar mass and density. The final calculation reveals a ratio of approximately 1:4, based on the molar fractions derived from the weighted average of the molar masses of the gases. Misinterpretations regarding the volume and moles of gases were clarified, emphasizing the importance of accurate application of gas laws.

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Homework Statement



Unknown amounts of methane and ethane are mixed at STP. The resulting mixture has a density of 1.18 g/L. Find the ratio of ethane to ethane.

The Attempt at a Solution



Since it's a ratio, we can convert it to 1 mol methane : X mol ethane

1 L methane at STP = \frac{RT}{P} = \frac{.08206 * 273}{1} = 22.402 mol

X L ethane at STP = 22.402X mol

d = \frac{m}{V}
1.18 = \frac{1.18(22.402 + 22.402*X)}{2*22.402}
1 = X

So it's a 1:1 ratio.

I was talking to someone who's better at chemistry than I am, and he said it got a 1:4 ratio. Plus, this method doesn't seem right since I didn't use the masses of CH4 or C2H6 (which would mean that there would always be a 1:1 ratio, regardless of the compounds). How do I do this?
 
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You are wrong from the start - V is not RT/P, 1L is not 22.4 moles. Quite the opposite - 1 mole is 22.4 liters.

Hint: for ideal gas there is a simple dependence between molar mass and density. And "molar mass" in the case of a gas mixture can be expressed as a weighted (by molar fractions) average of molar masses of components.
 
Borek said:
You are wrong from the start - V is not RT/P, 1L is not 22.4 moles. Quite the opposite - 1 mole is 22.4 liters.

Hint: for ideal gas there is a simple dependence between molar mass and density. And "molar mass" in the case of a gas mixture can be expressed as a weighted (by molar fractions) average of molar masses of components.

So...

n = PV/RT, setting V = 1 gets .044 mol of CH4 and .044*X mol C2H6.

1.18 = (.044*16+.044*X*30)/(2)

X = 1.22...so it's 1:1.22 which is about 4:5?

My teacher gave me this question btw, the choices for the answer were:

A) 1:2
B) 1:4
C) 1:1
D) 4:1
E) none of the above
 
Borek said:
You are wrong from the start - V is not RT/P, 1L is not 22.4 moles. Quite the opposite - 1 mole is 22.4 liters.

Hint: for ideal gas there is a simple dependence between molar mass and density. And "molar mass" in the case of a gas mixture can be expressed as a weighted (by molar fractions) average of molar masses of components.

I know that d = PM/RT, where M is the molar mass.

I solved for it and got M = 26.434 g/L, but don't know where to go from there.
 
Imagine you have 1 mole of mixture. Assume molar fraction of one gas is x. That means you have x moles of one gas and 1-x of another, and total mass is x*molar mass of the first gas + (1-x)* molar mass of the second gas. Total mass of one mole is just a molar mass. Can you calculate amounts of both gases in the mixture?
 
Borek said:
Imagine you have 1 mole of mixture. Assume molar fraction of one gas is x. That means you have x moles of one gas and 1-x of another, and total mass is x*molar mass of the first gas + (1-x)* molar mass of the second gas. Total mass of one mole is just a molar mass. Can you calculate amounts of both gases in the mixture?

x mol CH4
1-x mol C2H6

16*x + 30*(1-x) = 26.434
-14*x = -3.566
x ~ .25

So it's a 1:4 ratio.
 
Why is the way I did it in my second post incorrect though?

Edit: Nevermind
 
ƒ(x) said:
x ~ .25

So it's a 1:4 ratio.

If x is 0.25, it is 1:3, or 1 in 4, but not 1:4. For 1:4 you would need x=0.2.

Yeah, I know - there is 1:3 answer. But that's not my fault.
 
Borek said:
If x is 0.25, it is 1:3, or 1 in 4, but not 1:4. For 1:4 you would need x=0.2.

Yeah, I know - there is 1:3 answer. But that's not my fault.

Eh...I'm not a fan of my chem professor.

Thanks for walking me through this.
 
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Oops, I meant "there is no 1:3 answer". But you probably got it.
 

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