Molecules in 1 mL of 1.0x10^-22 M AsCl3: Verification and Calculation

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around calculating the number of molecules in a 1 mL solution of AsCl3 at a concentration of 1.0x10^-22 M. Participants explore the implications of such a low concentration and the statistical nature of molecular presence in dilute solutions.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant calculates the number of molecules in 1 mL of AsCl3 and arrives at approximately 0.06, expressing uncertainty about the validity of this non-integer result.
  • Another participant confirms the calculation but emphasizes that a result of 0.06 molecules indicates a negligible presence, suggesting that the distribution of such a small number of molecules cannot be determined by average values.
  • A third participant notes that the extremely low concentration implies that finding even a single molecule in 1 mL is statistically unlikely, requiring a larger volume to expect the presence of a molecule.
  • A fourth participant questions the notation of concentration, indicating a potential need for clarification on units.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the calculation method but express differing views on the implications of the result, particularly regarding the statistical interpretation of molecular presence in such a dilute solution. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the practical interpretation of the calculated number of molecules.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights limitations related to the interpretation of extremely low concentrations and the statistical nature of molecular distributions in dilute solutions. There are unresolved aspects regarding the notation and units used in the calculations.

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Hey, just wondering if i can get some verification with my answers.
I need to find the number of molecules from a concentration that is 1.0x10^-22 M of AsCl3 in one mL.

I divided my concentration by 1000mL to get it down to a concentration per mL and multiplied by avogrado's number. My answer is 0.06. However, I'm not sure that's right as the unit should be an integer.

thoughts? i think I'm missing something.
 
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Hello jen333,

You raise an interesting question.

Your calculation is right. The answer is approximately 0.06 molecules of AsCl3. Ofcourse 0.06 molecuels cannot exist , remember you are working with approximate values here. You can safely say the number is negligible.

If in 1000 ml there are 60 molecules of AsCl3 , then if we take 1 ml of this solution there exists a number of AsCl3 molecules in solution that , statistically speaking, tends towards zero. Ofcourse this might not make sense to you , but in a problem like this , matter cannot be treated as "bulk" but individual particles must be studied. That is , the distribution of such a small number of molecules in a considerably large volume cannot be determined by taking 'average values'. In reality the presence of 0 , 1, 2 ,... or 60 molecules of AsCl3 in 1 ml solution is purely random.
 
your calculations look correct but it means that there is much less than 1 molecule per mL. Its the volume of 1mL that gives a number less than 1. The starting concentration is so dilute that it means you would need (1/.06) mL = 16.7 mL to find a molecule of AsCl3
 
[tex]C = 1*10^{-22}Mdm^{-3}[/tex] ?
 

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