Moment of Inertia of 2-Spheres Connected by Rod

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around calculating the moment of inertia for a system consisting of two solid spheres connected by a massless rod. The spheres have equal radii, and the distance between their centers is specified. The problem explores two possible axes of rotation and involves the application of the parallel and perpendicular axes theorems.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to derive the moment of inertia by setting up integrals related to the geometry of the spheres and their connection. They express uncertainty about their approach and question the setup of their integral.
  • Some participants question the original poster's integral setup, suggesting that the distance from the axis of rotation to the mass element should be expressed differently. They also clarify the concept of the first moment in relation to the center of mass.
  • There is a discussion about the implications of choosing the center of mass as the origin for the coordinate system and how it affects the calculations.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing clarifications and addressing misunderstandings. Some guidance has been offered regarding the setup of integrals and the concept of the center of mass, but no consensus has been reached on the overall approach to the problem.

Contextual Notes

The original poster expresses concern about potentially going down a "blind alley" in their calculations, indicating a lack of confidence in their method. There is also a focus on the implications of the coordinate system chosen for the calculations.

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Homework Statement



What is: Moment of inertia of two solid spheres, radii each r[0], attached by massless rod which is also of length r[0], so that the distance between the two solid spheres' centres is "3*r[0]"?

The axis of rotation could either be 1) through both spheres and along the connecting-rod or 2) through the connecting rod so that the two spheres "orbit" about in a radius of 1.5*r[0]. I know how to get either by the parallel and perpendicular axes theorems.


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The Attempt at a Solution



We stick an axis of rotation through a sphere, and turn, turn, turn:
[itex]{I_{solid{\rm{ }}sphere,{\rm{ }}radius{\rm{ }}{r_0}}} = \int_{sphere} {{R^2} \cdot dm} = ...{\rm{steps I know}}... = {\textstyle{2 \over 3}}M{r_0}^2[/itex]
Now: imagine translating: instead of rotation through the sphere’s symmetry axis, let’s rotate through that point on the massless-connecting rod. In general:
[itex]\begin{array}{c}<br /> {I_{solid{\rm{ }}sphere,{\rm{ translated by }}{\rho _0}}} = \int_{sphere} {{{(R + {\rho _0})}^2} \cdot dm} \\ <br /> = \int_{sphere} {{R^2} \cdot dm} + \int_{sphere} {{\rho _0}^2 \cdot dm} + \int_{sphere} {2{\rho _0}R \cdot dm} \\ <br /> {I_{solid{\rm{ }}sphere,{\rm{ translated by }}{\rho _0}}} = {\textstyle{2 \over 3}}M{r_0}^2 + M{\rho _0}^2 + 2{\rho _0}\int_{sphere} {R \cdot dm} \\ <br /> \end{array}[/itex]
In specifics: our problem calls for:
[itex]{\rho _0} = 1.5{r_0}[/itex]
My question:
[itex]\int_{sphere} {R \cdot dm} = ?[/itex]

I have a feeling I’m going down a blind-alley, though. This is from Giancoli’s book, and I think there’s a shorter way to do the calculation…
 
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That integral would be 0. The first moment is the location of the center of mass.

You made a mistake in setting up your initial integral. The distance from the axis of rotation to the mass dm isn't simply (ρ0+R); it's [itex]|\vec{\rho}_0+\vec{r}|[/itex], where [itex]\vec{\rho}_0[/itex] is the vector from the axis of rotation to the center of the sphere and [itex]\vec{r}[/itex] is the vector from the center of the sphere to the bit of mass dm.
 


vela said:
That integral would be 0. The first moment is the location of the center of mass.

But the location of the centre of mass would have units of metres, not kilogram*metres as that integral has?
 


Right. I should have said it's proportional to the location of the center of mass.
 


vela said:
Right. I should have said it's proportional to the location of the center of mass.

Oh! I see it now. What you're describing would be the numerator of the mass-centre formula:

[tex]{x_{CM}} = \frac{{\int {x \cdot \rho (x) \cdot dx} }}{{\int {\rho (x) \cdot dx} }}[/tex]

...right? If so, I definitely see why:

[tex]2 \cdot {\rho _0} \cdot \int {r \cdot dm} = 0 = {\rm{very yes!}}[/tex]

...because we have chosen the origin of our coordinate system to be the centre-of-mass of the rotating body (I think without me realizing it), and so the centre-of-mass would have a zero that would kill it before the "missing":

[tex]\int {\rho \cdot dm}[/tex]

...would effect its dividing power on the already-zero-by-coordinate system denominator.

Okay, you prolly got a little more about how my brain works than you wanted to, but I think you answered my question. (Or maybe, worse yet, I'm wrong and think I'm right). Thanks vela : )
 

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